Stupidest Guns used in Movies

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

It's still a nice looking gun. I probably would buy one if it weren't for the whole "too fragile for the Navy SEALs" and "everyone I know who owns/had to carry one hates it"

Originally Posted by Yournamehere

You do know someone who owns a Beretta and likes it, me, and Matt sort of counts as he had a PT92 and liked it too.

...what YNH said. I had a Taurus PT92 that was 20 years old and functioned flawlessly, even with reloaded ammo. I'm curious to know how many people you've talked to that hate Berettas. That's not to say I don't know people who hate the M9, but they tend to be folks who think the military should have never abandoned .45 ACP, so they're discriminating against the Beretta for its caliber, not its design.

Also, I don't know what you're on about with Berettas being "fragile". They're not as durable as Glocks, but they're about as rugged as any all-metal handgun should be. The SEALs ditched the Beretta because its slide retention device was not strong enough to handle higher-pressure ammo than recommended. I don't have a problem with them using SIGs, but I also don't think the Beretta sucks just because it didn't meet a requirement specific to them. After all, what they need isn't necessarily what everyone else needs. (and besides, the 92FS, which replaced the original 92F that the SEALs rejected, has a fixed slide retention device.)

If the Beretta really sucks so much, I doubt it would have passed the XM9 trial (and I should point that one of its competitors was S&W's modified 459).

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MT2008

...what YNH said. I had a Taurus PT92 that was 20 years old and functioned flawlessly, even with reloaded ammo. I'm curious to know how many people you've talked to that hate Berettas.

About 15-16, which is exactly the number of sevicemen I've talked to about it

I should point that one of its competitors was S&W's modified 459

The only reason they didn't pick it that I can see is that it doesn't do well in water

We should have went with the SIG though

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

About 15-16, which is exactly the number of sevicemen I've talked to about it

I find that unusual, considering how few servicemen actually carry sidearms anymore. I know plenty of soldiers (and former soldiers), and all of them got through their deployments without ever carrying the M9. Their only M9 experience was from training and qualification.

I've read countless complaints about the Beretta on the Internet from people who have served (or claim to have served), but 99% of them seem to be about caliber, nothing else. Every once in a while I encounter someone who brings up the slide fracturing problem, but I tend to think they're just echoing what they've read elsewhere - because they don't seem to be aware that this problem (to the extent that it was ever serious) was fixed 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

We should have went with the SIG though

The SIG had issues of its own at the time (breaking trigger bar springs that sometimes damaged the frame, barrel bending, extractor problems, etc.). I love SIGs, but given that the design was still being perfected at the time of the XM9 trials, I think the Beretta made more sense. In fact, if the P226 had become the M9, I'm guessing that it would have just as bad a rep as the 92F by now.