Some questions about further updates

[Hchris]

Originally Posted by Hchris

So after another review, how about this:

OLD NAMES --> NEW NAMES

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K) --> 45 mm AT gun M1937 (53-K)

37-mm M1939 (61-K) --> 37 mm AA gun M1939 (61-K)

5 cm Pak 38 --> no changes

7.5 cm Pak 40 --> no changes

FlaK 38 --> 2 cm Flak 38

What do you think? Could somebody please change the page names to this?

Ah found out how to do it, will change the pages according to your suggestions. Thanks for the input!

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Hchris

Ah found out how to do it, will change the pages according to your suggestions. Thanks for the input!

You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

[Hchris]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

Yep, this is because it is the most common designation all around the Internet and discussion boards and also called officially that way. People who come here will search for 2 cm.

It is also standardize with the Pak guns which always used the same format.

If you like I can create redirects with mm for those guns?


I know there will be different opinions how this or that should be designated, but we have to find a compromise otherwise we can never make any progress.

I included all your other suggestions in the other guns, but People will always have different opinions.

I hope this is ok for you.


Btw I will work on the other guns the next few days and add even more. There is a ton of work ahead of me but I am almost finished with the 2 cm Flak 38 page (and all related pages).

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

You're sticking with the weird European 2 cm (rather than 20 mm) but doing away with FlaK in favor of Flak?

Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

The way I see it is that the "7,5 cm" was actually part of the designation of the weapon so it should be included in principle in that form, however I think that we should use a period rather than a comma as this is the equivalent of converting a Cyrillic Russian designation into a Latin alphabet one. After all, in English "7.5 cm" is a sensical dimension but "7,5 cm" isn't and to most native English speakers would seem strange and most likely be perceived as a typo.

Also, with the German designations I am in favour of capitalising the K in PaK and FlaK, as this is essentially the same as what we do for other German weapons like the MKb 42(H), StG 44, StG 45(M), MP 40 and MG 42.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

You are correct. I for one would like to see 75mm. Too many people confuse 7.5 cm with 7.5mm. WAY too many people. For the sake of clarity we should maintain everything in an easy to comprehend way.

[Spartan198]

We could go with 75mm, then. I have no issue with that.

[commando552]

Personally I think that the 7.5 cm is better as it is closer to the original designation. If we don't want to use cm for whatever reason, then why include a caliber at all? Just call it "PaK 40" or "PaK 40 AT gun" or whatever.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation

C'mon man, we can't be using them filthy yuropeon designations. This is MURRICA, it'd be spitting right in the founding fathers' faces to defer to them unwashed peasants over yonder