Some questions about further updates

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Europeans use 2cm but Americans (at least when I was in) use 20mm. If we have to set a standard, again, we can do what we did for titles. If there is any confusion or contention on the nomenclature, then being an AMERICAN site, we defer to the American standard. But of course, it is a European weapon then I defer to the original designation

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

The way I see it is that the "7,5 cm" was actually part of the designation of the weapon so it should be included in principle in that form, however I think that we should use a period rather than a comma as this is the equivalent of converting a Cyrillic Russian designation into a Latin alphabet one. After all, in English "7.5 cm" is a sensical dimension but "7,5 cm" isn't and to most native English speakers would seem strange and most likely be perceived as a typo.

Also, with the German designations I am in favour of capitalising the K in PaK and FlaK, as this is essentially the same as what we do for other German weapons like the MKb 42(H), StG 44, StG 45(M), MP 40 and MG 42.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, we went with 7.5 cm rather than the European 7,5 cm, why not just go all the way with 75mm?

You are correct. I for one would like to see 75mm. Too many people confuse 7.5 cm with 7.5mm. WAY too many people. For the sake of clarity we should maintain everything in an easy to comprehend way.

[Spartan198]

We could go with 75mm, then. I have no issue with that.

[commando552]

Personally I think that the 7.5 cm is better as it is closer to the original designation. If we don't want to use cm for whatever reason, then why include a caliber at all? Just call it "PaK 40" or "PaK 40 AT gun" or whatever.

[Hchris]

So to move forward this project I want to list what already exists on IMFDB. Lets focus on this first before I add the other new pages (which will then be added according to the Standardisation we agree on for the existing pages). Maybe we can then find a standardised format for all pages:

Already exist (what they are called atm):

45 mm anti-tank gun M1937 (53-K)
45mm anti-tank gun M1942 (M-42)
37-mm M1939 (61-K)

3.7 cm Pak 35/36
5 cm Pak 38
7.5 cm Pak 40
2cm FlaK 38
Flakvierling 38
Bofors 40mm
Oerlikon 20mm Cannon
M51 Quad


Already exist (what they should be called - STANDARDISED):

45mm AT Gun M1937 (53-K)
45mm AT Gun M1942 (M-42)
37mm AA Gun M1939 (61-K)

3.7cm Pak 35/36
5cm Pak 38
7.5cm Pak 40
2cm Flak 38
2cm Flakvierling 38
Bofors 40mm Gun
Oerlikon 20mm Cannon
M45, M51, M55 Quadmount

I took the suggestions above into accound already. What do you think?

[Evil Tim]

I believe FlaK is more correct given where the name comes from, same with PaK. There's no point in adding "2cm" to the Flakvierling since there was never a Flakvierling in any other calibre. Also why are we adding "gun" to the Bofors? The most common name for it is just "Bofors 40mm," if anything we should take "cannon" off the Oerlikon.

(edit: oops, thought this was a new suggestion, nvm)

[MoviePropMaster2008]

This site SHOULD go with the US Military Standard. We call 4cm guns 40mm guns, etc. or "Forty Mike Mike"

7.5cm should be 75mm. I know the original european designation was different. But I don't like mixing standards. So much of our stuff is Millimeters versus Centimeters. We should keep it the same. We 'can' mention how the original gun was described when it was unveiled in the paragraph about the gun.