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[Pointy Sextant]

Originally Posted by jdun

Almost all semi auto pistol can be converted to fully automatic. It's simple and wore out guns can something go automatic. There are safety concern tho.

The barrel must be thread in order to put a suppressor. The fastest way is to buy a drop in threaded barrel.

You don't want exotic weapons because they can be easily traced back to the maker and then to the buyer. If you want to make it realistic I suggest common firearms. Otherwise it fine.

If you don't want want him to be tracked, have him make his own weapons. Anyone that has the time and a working brain can clone any modern weapons. It isn't hard to do.

One more thing, the Rohrbaugh R9S are pocket/back up guns (BUG). They aren't design for heavy uses and whatever the manufactures said they won't last more then few thousands rounds.

Excellent points.

My mentioning of the shansi was largely because I met a man somewhat recently who has somehow come into possession of one and showed it to me at a firing range. I was quite impressed by its suppression, and though my real world experience with guns is limited, but my understanding was that guns, by and large wee generally much louder when silenced than movies and TV would have the ignorant masses like myself believe.

My inexperience with firearms in mind, I am just about finished with my research. I have familiarized myself with a number of different things, learned a number of different things, including how to use a garrote properly from my neighbor who is significantly more intimidating now, but two things remain.

1. I think I need to look into a firearms modeling and/or design program to get a clear outsiders perspective for firearms. I would prefer a program with a range from small to at least medium arms for the full range of what I have in mind.

2. I think I need to buy at least one gun and get a realistic sense for how firearms handle on a personal level, how they sound, and how aiming and such work. As such, a little advice on my first gun would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking something small and harmless like a .22 unless that wouldn't give me a real feel for gun play. If so, what exactly should I be thinking about buying? And do I need to buy a gun? Do they have rentals or loaners at firing ranges that I could use on a consistent basis so that I could get a feel for a single gun and would that be a good plan?

[Gunmaster45]

Almost all semi auto pistol can be converted to fully automatic. It's simple and wore out guns can something go automatic. There are safety concern tho.

IF the autosear gets worn it can also fire full auto. The guy at my hunter's saefty course told me how his shotgun fired all five shots when the sear got worn down. It was replaced but he never trusted it again.

[Pointy Sextant]

Originally Posted by Gunmaster45

IF the autosear gets worn it can also fire full auto. The guy at my hunter's saefty course told me how his shotgun fired all five shots when the sear got worn down. It was replaced but he never trusted it again.

That sounds like it would be more than a little frightening.

[Gunmaster45]

Maybe I'm wierd but it sounds fun. If you weren't expecting it it could suck but if you knew your shotgun fired full auto, I'd put time in my schedule for that bit of fun.

[jdun]

Originally Posted by Pointy Sextant

Excellent points.

My mentioning of the shansi was largely because I met a man somewhat recently who has somehow come into possession of one and showed it to me at a firing range. I was quite impressed by its suppression, and though my real world experience with guns is limited, but my understanding was that guns, by and large wee generally much louder when silenced than movies and TV would have the ignorant masses like myself believe.

My inexperience with firearms in mind, I am just about finished with my research. I have familiarized myself with a number of different things, learned a number of different things, including how to use a garrote properly from my neighbor who is significantly more intimidating now, but two things remain.

1. I think I need to look into a firearms modeling and/or design program to get a clear outsiders perspective for firearms. I would prefer a program with a range from small to at least medium arms for the full range of what I have in mind.

2. I think I need to buy at least one gun and get a realistic sense for how firearms handle on a personal level, how they sound, and how aiming and such work. As such, a little advice on my first gun would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking something small and harmless like a .22 unless that wouldn't give me a real feel for gun play. If so, what exactly should I be thinking about buying? And do I need to buy a gun? Do they have rentals or loaners at firing ranges that I could use on a consistent basis so that I could get a feel for a single gun and would that be a good plan?

I can assure you that .22lr isn't harmless. The Israeli use them successfully against terrorists. Lots of SF commandos has .22lr rifles and pistols in their armory.

My favorite caliber is .22lr. I shoot between 50,000 to 100,000 a year when I was very active in shooting and young. Now a days around 25,000 to 30,000.

Yes most gun range has pistols (and some might have rifles) for loan. However you have to buy their overpriced ammo to use them.

Firearms are good investments. For personal safety as well as financial. Firearms do not lose much of their value if any over time even if used. So you should buy at least one pistol, rifle, and shotgun.

For first time shooter I suggest you load one round into the magazine so you know how the recoil feels. After that load as much as you like. Everybody gets nervous the first time but after that, like everything else a non-event.

You probably going to shoot a pistol first so I suggest you read this. Do not let the firearm control you. You control the firearm. Force your will into it. Don't be scare of gun. Firm grip!

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=290


Remember the four safety rules. These rules can't be broken.
Rule #1 - All guns are always loaded.

Rule #2 - Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not ready to destroy.

Rule #3 - Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

Rule #4 - Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Here is my list of top pistols and rifle. Not in any order.

Pistols:
1911
Glock 17 or 19
92FS
Browning HP
CZ 75

Rifles:
AR15
FAL
Rem 700
Ruger 10/22
AK

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

[Pointy Sextant]

Originally Posted by jdun

I can assure you that .22lr isn't harmless. The Israeli use them successfully against terrorists. Lots of SF commandos has .22lr rifles and pistols in their armory.

My favorite caliber is .22lr. I shoot between 50,000 to 100,000 a year when I was very active in shooting and young. Now a days around 25,000 to 30,000.

Yes most gun range has pistols (and some might have rifles) for loan. However you have to buy their overpriced ammo to use them.

Firearms are good investments. For personal safety as well as financial. Firearms do not lose much of their value if any over time even if used. So you should buy at least one pistol, rifle, and shotgun.

For first time shooter I suggest you load one round into the magazine so you know how the recoil feels. After that load as much as you like. Everybody gets nervous the first time but after that, like everything else a non-event.

You probably going to shoot a pistol first so I suggest you read this. Do not let the firearm control you. You control the firearm. Force your will into it. Don't be scare of gun. Firm grip!

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=290


Remember the four safety rules. These rules can't be broken.
Rule #1 - All guns are always loaded.

Rule #2 - Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not ready to destroy.

Rule #3 - Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

Rule #4 - Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Here is my list of top pistols and rifle. Not in any order.

Pistols:
1911
Glock 17 or 19
92FS
Browning HP
CZ 75

Rifles:
AR15
FAL
Rem 700
Ruger 10/22
AK

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

Strictly speaking, training with firearms should go pistol rifle shotgun not rifle shotgun pistol?

And when training with a shotgun, what style of shell should I use? buck shot, bird shot, or slug?

What are good programs to get a sense for ballistics in an academic sense? Design of bullets, payloads, and weapons? Included in a down to earth understanding of the process I would also like to develop a bit of a clinical understanding of the process involved.

Also, purely as an artist, I regret not seeing the vector on that list. It has such clean lines.

[Pointy Sextant]

For clarfication, I have been wondeing about something. There are certain guns that are called machine pistols rather than submachineguns that baffle me. The reason for this is not just the fact that they are cosmetically
very much rifle like, but that they are chambered in what is usually a rifle round, so how they can be a pistol does not make sense to me. I was wondering if you gentlemen could clear this up for me.

For example:

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLR-16

[k9870]

The lack of stock may be it.

Machine gun: Rifle Calibers

Sub-Machine gun: Pistol calibers


Both examples have no stock, and are short. There pistols.

[Gunmaster45]

They should differentiate more. A pistol caliber handgun that fires fully automatic is called a "machine pistol", but it should be "submachine pistol". And the rifle calibered pistols should be called "pistols", because they aren't full auto guns, so machine pistol doesn't apply to these guns. If it was a full auto pistol that fires rifle rounds, THEN it could be considered a machine pistol.

[jdun]

Originally Posted by Pointy Sextant

Strictly speaking, training with firearms should go pistol rifle shotgun not rifle shotgun pistol?

And when training with a shotgun, what style of shell should I use? buck shot, bird shot, or slug?

What are good programs to get a sense for ballistics in an academic sense? Design of bullets, payloads, and weapons? Included in a down to earth understanding of the process I would also like to develop a bit of a clinical understanding of the process involved.

Also, purely as an artist, I regret not seeing the vector on that list. It has such clean lines.

It depends on how old you are. When I was a kid I was train first in rifle, shotgun, and pistol. The military train rifle first then pistol. However pistol training time in the military is very low.

If you're an adult and getting your first firearm it probably should be a pistol, then shotgun, and rifle because pistol are the prefer choice for self defense.

Depends on how much money you have for ammo. Money and time is always the limiting factor in training. Bird shot are inexpensive so you get more for the buck. However for home defense I'll go with 00 buck. Do not use bird shot for personnel defense. They are not design for it.

I belong to a private gun club. Our private club has an outdoor and indoor range. The outdoor range open to our members till 7pm/7 because we do not what to disturb our neighbors. The indoor range open 24/7. Basically every member has a key to the range. There is no range officer.

So if I am the only person or if the members there agree, there is no fireline and no firelane. We can do whatever training we like as long as we fellow the safety rules.

People get high on ballistic. I use to when I was a kid but not anymore. I don't lose any sleep over stopping power between 9mm vs 45ACP or .22 cal vs. 30 cal. because here the absolute truth. There is none. You keep shooting until your opponent is dead. Period.

If you're still hang up on ballistic, check this site.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/
http://www.brassfetcher.com/oldindex.html

Rent a Glock 17 or 19 and buy 100 or two 9mm 115 or 124 grn bullet. Shoot and have fun.

The Magpul dvd is inexpensive compare to other video of its kind. It mainly deals with carbine but touch on some basic pistol shooting, ie transition from rifle/carbine to pistol in combat.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/M...ining_DVD.html

If you decided that you like shooting go join a pivate Gun Club or complete completing in completion. Like this young lady here. She's using a Glock 17.

http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=c...=577&Itemid=39