Questions

[Pointy Sextant]

The character with the concealed weapon is a less than sentimental man. He is pretty much just a killer with larger intentions who sees his guns as a means to an end, so efficacy is my ideal here. Exotic fire arms however would play in well as being part of the thread of him making it difficult to track his weapon purchases until after he has made his kills.

Threading the silencer on after pulling it works perfectly for mt character, as preparation, and advanced timing are absolute components of this character, and his method. So the question becomes, what silencer pistol combo is best for efficacy and concealability? The goal here is for a man who naturally blends in not to raise any flags until after the fact, so a minimal disruption of his profile would be best, but I can write in some tricky little extra pocket or some such thing if necessary to ad some flair.

As for the Shansi type 17, could the barrel be retrofitted with an inbuilt suppressor? This question extends to all of these guns. In truth, my preference is to guns with a more modern feel and cleaner lines, at least for this character, but for the ceramic man, any gun model will do.

Another question. I swear that I was watching the history channel while eating Thai food at like 4 in the morning a while ago, and that the guy leading the show people through the fire arms demonstrations showed off a .22 pistol with a 30 or so round capacity that fired in automatic. Now I could easily have the numbers wrong, but I swear he was demonstrating an automatic .22 pistol. Now this may have been under the influence of Panang curry from a place famous for it's hot curry, but I am so certain I saw this pistol. He pointed the pistol at a target paper, pulled the trigger, and the damn thing just flew apart. Now someone on this board must know what I am talking about.

[k9870]

Five sevens arent exotic, they are quite common, hell 5.7x28mm is the only pistol caliber i can find around here, it is expensive though, and armor piercing stuff isnt sold. A 7.62x25mm will pierce armor, libs just dont see a need to go after a cz-52 or tt33.

Most .22s are also pretty big, and rimfires arent combat reliable, mostly do to ammo. Id go centerfire.

And a nagant revolver can be silenced, the rounds just wimpy, 157 ft lbs in a fmj....

[ManiacallyChallenged]

Nagant revolver....
that's the one that moves the cylinder up with each shot right? Better chamber seal... makes sense.
But it has a 20lb trigger pull in double action, that's got to be punishing.

As for Five-seveN, I have loved that thing for a long time now, but I guess blanks don't do too well in it.

[k9870]

The 5.7 pistol is underpowered, its basically a .22 amg in stopping power. It is accurate as anything though, my friend hits the 100 yard target with his

[Gunmaster45]

After watching Taken, the Taurus Millenium Pro looks pretty interesting. A subcompact in .45 isn't bad, and with an extended barrel it could be suppressed.

Personally, If I was a bare basics assassin that wan't a good gun to get the job done, obviously some type of 1911 would be my choice. Just extend the barrel and thread it for a suppressor. Even a compact or subcompact version from someone like Para-Ordnance would work.

[k9870]

Well, the problem is 45 doesn't seem to work well in subcompacts. One assasins pistol that seems interesting is the Russian (PSS?) that's ammunition contains a piston so it is silent, without a silencer! No extra size or bulk.

[Gunmaster45]

Yeah it's the PSS. It was in MGS4. The gun looks like a piece of crap though, regardless of the neat piston suppression system.

[jdun]

Originally Posted by Pointy Sextant

The character with the concealed weapon is a less than sentimental man. He is pretty much just a killer with larger intentions who sees his guns as a means to an end, so efficacy is my ideal here. Exotic fire arms however would play in well as being part of the thread of him making it difficult to track his weapon purchases until after he has made his kills.

Threading the silencer on after pulling it works perfectly for mt character, as preparation, and advanced timing are absolute components of this character, and his method. So the question becomes, what silencer pistol combo is best for efficacy and concealability? The goal here is for a man who naturally blends in not to raise any flags until after the fact, so a minimal disruption of his profile would be best, but I can write in some tricky little extra pocket or some such thing if necessary to ad some flair.

As for the Shansi type 17, could the barrel be retrofitted with an inbuilt suppressor? This question extends to all of these guns. In truth, my preference is to guns with a more modern feel and cleaner lines, at least for this character, but for the ceramic man, any gun model will do.

Another question. I swear that I was watching the history channel while eating Thai food at like 4 in the morning a while ago, and that the guy leading the show people through the fire arms demonstrations showed off a .22 pistol with a 30 or so round capacity that fired in automatic. Now I could easily have the numbers wrong, but I swear he was demonstrating an automatic .22 pistol. Now this may have been under the influence of Panang curry from a place famous for it's hot curry, but I am so certain I saw this pistol. He pointed the pistol at a target paper, pulled the trigger, and the damn thing just flew apart. Now someone on this board must know what I am talking about.

Almost all semi auto pistol can be converted to fully automatic. It's simple and wore out guns can something go automatic. There are safety concern tho.

The barrel must be thread in order to put a suppressor. The fastest way is to buy a drop in threaded barrel.

You don't want exotic weapons because they can be easily traced back to the maker and then to the buyer. If you want to make it realistic I suggest common firearms. Otherwise it fine.

If you don't want want him to be tracked, have him make his own weapons. Anyone that has the time and a working brain can clone any modern weapons. It isn't hard to do.

One more thing, the Rohrbaugh R9S are pocket/back up guns (BUG). They aren't design for heavy uses and whatever the manufactures said they won't last more then few thousands rounds.

[Pointy Sextant]

Originally Posted by jdun

Almost all semi auto pistol can be converted to fully automatic. It's simple and wore out guns can something go automatic. There are safety concern tho.

The barrel must be thread in order to put a suppressor. The fastest way is to buy a drop in threaded barrel.

You don't want exotic weapons because they can be easily traced back to the maker and then to the buyer. If you want to make it realistic I suggest common firearms. Otherwise it fine.

If you don't want want him to be tracked, have him make his own weapons. Anyone that has the time and a working brain can clone any modern weapons. It isn't hard to do.

One more thing, the Rohrbaugh R9S are pocket/back up guns (BUG). They aren't design for heavy uses and whatever the manufactures said they won't last more then few thousands rounds.

Excellent points.

My mentioning of the shansi was largely because I met a man somewhat recently who has somehow come into possession of one and showed it to me at a firing range. I was quite impressed by its suppression, and though my real world experience with guns is limited, but my understanding was that guns, by and large wee generally much louder when silenced than movies and TV would have the ignorant masses like myself believe.

My inexperience with firearms in mind, I am just about finished with my research. I have familiarized myself with a number of different things, learned a number of different things, including how to use a garrote properly from my neighbor who is significantly more intimidating now, but two things remain.

1. I think I need to look into a firearms modeling and/or design program to get a clear outsiders perspective for firearms. I would prefer a program with a range from small to at least medium arms for the full range of what I have in mind.

2. I think I need to buy at least one gun and get a realistic sense for how firearms handle on a personal level, how they sound, and how aiming and such work. As such, a little advice on my first gun would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking something small and harmless like a .22 unless that wouldn't give me a real feel for gun play. If so, what exactly should I be thinking about buying? And do I need to buy a gun? Do they have rentals or loaners at firing ranges that I could use on a consistent basis so that I could get a feel for a single gun and would that be a good plan?

[Gunmaster45]

Almost all semi auto pistol can be converted to fully automatic. It's simple and wore out guns can something go automatic. There are safety concern tho.

IF the autosear gets worn it can also fire full auto. The guy at my hunter's saefty course told me how his shotgun fired all five shots when the sear got worn down. It was replaced but he never trusted it again.