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[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

I was under the impression that there was a direct lineage between all those guns.

I thought that too. don't do ANYTHING until it has been approved. Sure some of the other countries' copies or descendants of the gun are also listed, but that kinda makes sense.

Comparing the M1 Garand to the M1 Carbine is ridiculous. One was NOT the descendant of the other. The M1 Carbine was an independent design directive to replace the pistol as the primary support weapon for secondary units or vehicle drivers.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

I thought that too. don't do ANYTHING until it has been approved. Sure some of the other countries' copies or descendants of the gun are also listed, but that kinda makes sense.

Comparing the M1 Garand to the M1 Carbine is ridiculous. One was NOT the descendant of the other. The M1 Carbine was an independent design directive to replace the pistol as the primary support weapon for secondary units or vehicle drivers.

It'd sort of be like putting the Thompson, the Reising, and the M3 on the same page, because they're all American and in .45 ACP. From the bit of research I did, the PPD is based on the the MP28, and the PPSh and the PPS were designed by different guys. It's true, one is more simplified than the other, but not necessarily based on one another. According to the Modern Firearms page, the 35 round mags from the PPSh and the PPS aren't even compatible with one another.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

It'd sort of be like putting the Thompson, the Reising, and the M3 on the same page, because they're all American and in .45 ACP. From the bit of research I did, the PPD is based on the the MP28, and the PPSh and the PPS were designed by different guys. It's true, one is more simplified than the other, but not necessarily based on one another. According to the Modern Firearms page, the 35 round mags from the PPSh and the PPS aren't even compatible with one another.

It's not like that at all. The Tommy gun is an open bolt delayed blowback, the Reising is a closed bolt delayed blowback, and the M3 is a simple blowback.

I always thought the PPS was a simplified PPSh which was a simplified PPD. And if the PPD is so similar to the MP28, should it be on the MP28 page?

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

It's not like that at all. The Tommy gun is an open bolt delayed blowback, the Reising is a closed bolt delayed blowback, and the M3 is a simple blowback.

Well, yes. I was citing it as an absurd example.

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

I always thought the PPS was a simplified PPSh which was a simplified PPD. And if the PPD is so similar to the MP28, should it be on the MP28 page?

If we're worried about too many pages, we can consolidate the MP18/MP28/Lanchester/PPD-40 onto one page. Neither of them are that big.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If we're worried about too many pages, we can consolidate the MP18/MP28/Lanchester/PPD-40 onto one page. Neither of them are that big.

Uh, no. And don't start being like POI (or as I like to call him POS). That suggestion is again.. RIDICULOUS.

Who said we were worried about too many gun pages? You're creating a controversy out of nothing. And if we were to remove gun pages (I would LOVE to eliminate all video games and the weapons that only appear (in real life) in the mind of a video game programmer, like those prototype Russian or Chinese weapons, whom NO ONE has ever seen in a real movie, handled by HUMAN BEINGS.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

I don't know about the PPD but shouldn't the MP18 and the MP28 be on the same page?

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Uh, no. And don't start being like POI (or as I like to call him POS). That suggestion is again.. RIDICULOUS.

Who said we were worried about too many gun pages? You're creating a controversy out of nothing. And if we were to remove gun pages (I would LOVE to eliminate all video games and the weapons that only appear (in real life) in the mind of a video game programmer, like those prototype Russian or Chinese weapons, whom NO ONE has ever seen in a real movie, handled by HUMAN BEINGS.

Hey now, let's not get nasty. I just thought I was getting a vibe about not having too many pages period.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Hey now, let's not get nasty. I just thought I was getting a vibe about not having too many pages period.

Sounding like PersonOfInterest will never turn out well...... Now as too the vibe about too many pages, that's Too many lame or STUPID pages. That is the vibe that everyone should be getting. Now if a gun deserves its' own page, and that it has unfairly been lumped into a lineage that is not really its' own, then yes. But also be aware that some lines of guns are still obscure and to split them up will just create MORE pages that users will have to track/hunt down in order to find.......Why do you think we lump ALL M1911s regardless of maker onto the M1911 page?

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

Comparing the M1 Garand to the M1 Carbine is ridiculous. One was NOT the descendant of the other. The M1 Carbine was an independent design directive to replace the pistol as the primary support weapon for secondary units or vehicle drivers.

I wasn't comparing that, I'm saying I've actually met people who have mistaken these guns together cause they have the same M1 in their names.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I wasn't comparing that, I'm saying I've actually met people who have mistaken these guns together cause they have the same M1 in their names.

It can be confusing. My buddy, a fellow shooter, had always assumed that the M1 Carbine was just a carbine version of the M1 Rifle. (Which would be a fair assumption to make.) It wasn't until two years ago that I explained the difference to him.