Little Mistakes You Notice.

[S&Wshooter]

I haven't heard many good things about the M&P

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

I haven't heard many good things about the M&P

Haven't talked to enough people who own them. But every time I look at the Handguns section of Armslist, or the Classifieds on other gun boards I visit, it seems as though there are a lot of people trying to sell or trade M&Ps. When I was trying to sell my 4506, I had four guys who made me trade offers on TFL. Guess what two of them wanted to trade? M&Ps.

What I figure this means is that the M&P is really, REALLY popular and there are just lots floating around (like 1911s and Glocks), or people who buy them tend to hate them and try to sell them quickly. And I'm guessing the latter reason is why, because I haven't seen anyone shooting an M&P at my range yet. Of course, that's still an anecdote.

Originally Posted by k9870

Just saying you cant base a gun based on performance of the ffirst models, a lot of guns, almost all, have teething problems. Glock failed at first but dont see anyone saying its unfit for duty based on the first models. It looks like smith and wesson has ironed out some flaws.

First of all, what do you mean by "failed"? That word implies serious design flaws. The main reason Glocks were not accepted by most militaries/LE agencies when they first came out was because the polymer-framed pistol was still a new and unproven concept in the 80s, so most people weren't willing to embrace it immediately. That's why all of the M9 entries were all-metal pistols, and it's also why you didn't see too many American or European police agencies starting to issue Glocks until the early-90s.

With the M&P, the same issue doesn't apply. It is simply (by many accounts) not a particularly good pistol, and it has quality issues. It's not like it's a revolutionary or unproven design, as Glocks were 25 years ago.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Haven't talked to enough people who own them. But every time I look at the Handguns section of Armslist, or the Classifieds on other gun boards I visit, it seems as though there are a lot of people trying to sell or trade M&Ps. When I was trying to sell my 4506, I had four guys who made me trade offers on TFL. Guess what two of them wanted to trade? M&Ps.

What I figure this means is that the M&P is really, REALLY popular and there are just lots floating around (like 1911s and Glocks), or people who buy them tend to hate them and try to sell them quickly. And I'm guessing the latter reason is why, because I haven't seen anyone shooting an M&P at my range yet. Of course, that's still an anecdote.

I've met quite a few people who have owned them and the general consensus is that it isn't that great. My cousin's father bought 3 (one for him, one for his wife and one for my cousin) after he sold a handful of Rugers he bought but didn't like. After owning them for a while (few months) he sold them, bought him and his wife a used Glock each and got my cousin an old Ruger revolver

[k9870]

First gen glocks had problems with firing pin force, and some of the new forth gens are having problems with weak recoil springs.

[AdAstra2009]

Well back on the original topic.
I was looking at the unit page and noticed a couple of things.

- A couple of "Regular Army" soldiers have their helmet covers on backwards.

- No IR Tabs or IR Tab covers

-"Americal" 23rd Infantry Division Patch patch

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Well back on the original topic.
I was looking at the unit page and noticed a couple of things.

- A couple of "Regular Army" soldiers have their helmet covers on backwards.

- No IR Tabs or IR Tab covers

-"Americal" 23rd Infantry Division Patch patch

America + Tactical= Americal

[k9870]

Guns in ankle holsters that are way to big to be in an ankle holster. Example: In that resident evil movie where somebody pulled a glock 17 out, and countless movies where you think "well, that gun is able to be carried but would be too unconfortable to do everyday"

[Markit]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Well back on the original topic.
I was looking at the unit page and noticed a couple of things.

- A couple of "Regular Army" soldiers have their helmet covers on backwards.

- No IR Tabs or IR Tab covers

-"Americal" 23rd Infantry Division Patch patch

There's also the episode where the French UN soldiers are wearing British (or Dutch-style) DPM uniforms.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by k9870

First gen glocks had problems with firing pin force, and some of the new forth gens are having problems with weak recoil springs.

The 1st Gens also weren't very common in the U.S., either in private or LE/govt. hands. Most of the PDs and agencies that adopted Glocks didn't start buying them until around the time of the 2nd Gen models.

Regarding the M&P, it might still evolve into a good pistol, depending on whatever changes S&W makes. But in today's market, it needs to be stellar and flawless, and it doesn't appear to be so. And it's hard to give it the benefit of the doubt because, unlike Glocks in the 1980s, it isn't a new and innovative design.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by MT2008

The 1st Gens also weren't very common in the U.S., either in private or LE/govt. hands. Most of the PDs and agencies that adopted Glocks didn't start buying them until around the time of the 2nd Gen models.

Regarding the M&P, it might still evolve into a good pistol, depending on whatever changes S&W makes. But in today's market, it needs to be stellar and flawless, and it doesn't appear to be so. And it's hard to give it the benefit of the doubt because, unlike Glocks in the 1980s, it isn't a new and innovative design.

To be fair to the M&P. It might not be new and innovative tech, but it is based on the current tested design.