Little Mistakes You Notice.

[FirearmFan]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

Well, I guess the M&P is a craptastic pistol. S&W needs to stick with metal guns, seeing as any polymer gun they make is horrible

I like the M&P quite a bit. I've got a significant number of rounds through a friend of mine's 9mm M&P and I find it to be a great pistol. It's very accurate and feels great in my hands. I know of many other people who also like theirs. However, when I think of Smith and Wesson I will admit I don't think of polymer handguns.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by FirearmFan

I like the M&P quite a bit. I've got a significant number of rounds through a friend of mine's 9mm M&P and I find it to be a great pistol. It's very accurate and feels great in my hands. I know of many other people who also like theirs. However, when I think of Smith and Wesson I will admit I don't think of polymer handguns.

That's NOT the issue with police departments. Having one in fifty fail is unacceptable. The Single user is different than a department. YOU can luck out and get a great gun, but it should NOT be a crap shoot. Apparently there were multiple BAD guns in entire batches sent to a large department like SFPD and LA Sheriff.

[k9870]

Those were older isolated problems, new runs seem almost 100%, i dont know any unsatisfied users. Almost any gun will have problems from the start and take a while to iron it out, the m16 for example, military standard issue, and those sucked bad in the beginning.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by k9870

Those were older isolated problems, new runs seem almost 100%, i dont know any unsatisfied users.

Again, You're ONE GUY. You may know a few guys. That sampling is way too small to be valid to determine whether or not a gun has a quality control problem or not.

[S&Wshooter]

I haven't heard many good things about the M&P

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

I haven't heard many good things about the M&P

Haven't talked to enough people who own them. But every time I look at the Handguns section of Armslist, or the Classifieds on other gun boards I visit, it seems as though there are a lot of people trying to sell or trade M&Ps. When I was trying to sell my 4506, I had four guys who made me trade offers on TFL. Guess what two of them wanted to trade? M&Ps.

What I figure this means is that the M&P is really, REALLY popular and there are just lots floating around (like 1911s and Glocks), or people who buy them tend to hate them and try to sell them quickly. And I'm guessing the latter reason is why, because I haven't seen anyone shooting an M&P at my range yet. Of course, that's still an anecdote.

Originally Posted by k9870

Just saying you cant base a gun based on performance of the ffirst models, a lot of guns, almost all, have teething problems. Glock failed at first but dont see anyone saying its unfit for duty based on the first models. It looks like smith and wesson has ironed out some flaws.

First of all, what do you mean by "failed"? That word implies serious design flaws. The main reason Glocks were not accepted by most militaries/LE agencies when they first came out was because the polymer-framed pistol was still a new and unproven concept in the 80s, so most people weren't willing to embrace it immediately. That's why all of the M9 entries were all-metal pistols, and it's also why you didn't see too many American or European police agencies starting to issue Glocks until the early-90s.

With the M&P, the same issue doesn't apply. It is simply (by many accounts) not a particularly good pistol, and it has quality issues. It's not like it's a revolutionary or unproven design, as Glocks were 25 years ago.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Haven't talked to enough people who own them. But every time I look at the Handguns section of Armslist, or the Classifieds on other gun boards I visit, it seems as though there are a lot of people trying to sell or trade M&Ps. When I was trying to sell my 4506, I had four guys who made me trade offers on TFL. Guess what two of them wanted to trade? M&Ps.

What I figure this means is that the M&P is really, REALLY popular and there are just lots floating around (like 1911s and Glocks), or people who buy them tend to hate them and try to sell them quickly. And I'm guessing the latter reason is why, because I haven't seen anyone shooting an M&P at my range yet. Of course, that's still an anecdote.

I've met quite a few people who have owned them and the general consensus is that it isn't that great. My cousin's father bought 3 (one for him, one for his wife and one for my cousin) after he sold a handful of Rugers he bought but didn't like. After owning them for a while (few months) he sold them, bought him and his wife a used Glock each and got my cousin an old Ruger revolver

[FirearmFan]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

That's NOT the issue with police departments. Having one in fifty fail is unacceptable. The Single user is different than a department. YOU can luck out and get a great gun, but it should NOT be a crap shoot. Apparently there were multiple BAD guns in entire batches sent to a large department like SFPD and LA Sheriff.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, my comment was MY personal opinion on the M&P directed towards S&Wshooters comment "I guess the M&P is a craptastic pistol." Everyone has different opinions on different guns and I'm perfectly ok with that.

[k9870]

Just saying you cant base a gun based on performance of the ffirst models, a lot of guns, almost all, have teething problems. Glock failed at first but dont see anyone saying its unfit for duty based on the first models. It looks like smith and wesson has ironed out some flaws.

[Spades of Columbia]

All M&P are shot at the factory with two full mags. One for speed to see if jams happen and the second is to test its accuracy...if that M&P doesn't past one of the two it doesnt leave the factory.