Proposed rule: Rifles as a single category

[predator20]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

No, I knew beforehand that MPM was talking about eliminating the different rifle designations within the tables of contents for movie, television, anime, or game entries to curb the "negative public relations," not eliminating classifications within the weapon entries themselves. I'm saying that we would lose a great deal of organization within a page, and it would make it more time-consuming to order alphabetically since where there were two to six classes of rifles previously (assault rifles/battle rifles/designated marksmen rifles/sniper rifles/semiautomatic-only rifles), you now have one big "rifles" entry that will be that much harder and time-consuming to alphabetize, not to mention harder to find individual weapon entries within. It is easier to alphabetize weapon entries within a single work of fiction with multiple appropriate weapon class sections.

But seriously, MPM, who on Earth here has been complaining about the designations of rifles in entries on this site? By no means are we actually distributing or using firearms against the wrong people in real life by making entries on this website; we are simply cataloguing them in works of FICTION. If they have a problem with so many "evil assault rifles" in a movie, they should take it up with the movie's creators, not us.

That's too many categories. In some pages if you were doing it that way you would have maybe one rifle in each rifle category. Also I don't alphabetize, I start with what the main characters use and then whats used the most after that.

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

And the "semiautomatic-only rifle" category would encompass rifles like the SKS or M1 carbine handily.

What about a Mini-14? It looks pretty much like an M1 carbine. But has the same firepower as an AR.

MPM quote
"In the civilian world of semi auto only weapons, there is NO difference between a Ruger mini 14 rifle in a plain wooden stock and an AR15 in evil black tactical furniture when it comes to firepower."

That's the point MPM was trying to make.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by predator20

MPM quote
"In the civilian world of semi auto only weapons, there is NO difference between a Ruger mini 14 rifle in a plain wooden stock and an AR15 in evil black tactical furniture when it comes to firepower."

That's the point MPM was trying to make.

That was my point (Predator20 gets it), and Mazryonh, you just don't seem to get it. There should be TOO MANY categories on a movie page. You can sub-categorize it all you want, but we don't want to add layers upon layers of subcategories on movie/tv/etc. pages. We don't ALL have Asberger's Syndrome There is the overall encompassing category: Rifle. (As a note, we do still lump smooth bore muskets into this category since they were the pre-cursor, but that's a minor issue considering how many pages have muskets as a listing).

The categorization on pages with lots of guns should be handguns, Submachine guns, Rifles, Shotguns, Machine guns, Other Weapons. That's it. Yes, we ALL know about the subcategories, but those details should be on the individual gun pages.

[Mazryonh]

If that's what you want, then I suppose it's your fiat. Would it then be against the new rules to include a rifle's separate designation within each weapon's entry inside a game's, or movie's, or television show's page? Such as if a game has an AK-47, can we then write "This assault rifle appeared in this game under the assumed name of"? Similarly, if a game has an FN SCAR-H, can we then write "This battle rifle appeared in this game under the assumed name of"?

If it's for the sake of convenience to the majority of users on imfdb, then so much the better, but honestly, who has been complaining about the bad public image of assault rifles here?

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

who has been complaining about the bad public image of assault rifles here?

Some have voiced their concerns, and no, they usually don't voice them to you (not being a mod and all) it is prudent considering the political climate in the U.S. (after all, most IMFDB users are well educated enough to know the difference, but the lay public IS NOT).

[Mazryonh]

How will it be prudent? Will someone honestly try to press charges against the owners of this website if we don't take down references of "assault rifles" or "battle rifles" on the movie, game, anime, or television show entries? It still escapes my logic as to why cataloguing firearms in works of fiction via this website would harm anyone. I apologize in advance if the answer is blindingly obvious to everyone else but me.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

How will it be prudent? Will someone honestly try to press charges against the owners of this website if we don't take down references of "assault rifles" or "battle rifles" on the movie, game, anime, or television show entries? It still escapes my logic as to why cataloguing firearms in works of fiction via this website would harm anyone. I apologize in advance if the answer is blindingly obvious to everyone else but me.

That is quite possible

[Jcordell]

Sounds good to me. It simplifies, declutters and cleans it up.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

How will it be prudent? Will someone honestly try to press charges against the owners of this website if we don't take down references of "assault rifles" or "battle rifles" on the movie, game, anime, or television show entries? It still escapes my logic as to why cataloguing firearms in works of fiction via this website would harm anyone. I apologize in advance if the answer is blindingly obvious to everyone else but me.

Apparently it is blindingly obvious to everyone BUT you. LOL! Seriously. You can take a simple concept and twist and distort it into a long arduous and headache inducing thread. Do you seriously ENJOY being argumentative? Or are you really not comprehending what is being said here? Heck, it's your right. But sorry, but I don't have to time to argue in circles, dude.

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

Will someone honestly try to press charges against the owners of this website if we don't take down references of "assault rifles" or "battle rifles" on the movie, game, anime, or television show entries?

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

That is quite possible

Really? That seems to take the 1st Amendment and throw it clean out the window, if you ask me.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Really? That seems to take the 1st Amendment and throw it clean out the window, if you ask me.

Like the gov't even cares about our rights anymore