Proposed rule: Rifles as a single category

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by predator20

I think a single rifle category is the best way to to go. There's no sense in having one for this type of rifle or that type. Keep it simple.

Simpler to categorize, maybe. But not simpler to render in alphabetical order (unless someone makes a macro to do it via software on the wiki) and not simpler to read in my view.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

Simpler to categorize, maybe. But not simpler to render in alphabetical order (unless someone makes a macro to do it via software on the wiki) and not simpler to read in my view.

Mazryonh,

I think you misunderstood.

MPM is talking about on movie pages that are categorized by weapon type. (Handgun, Shotgun, SMG, etc) The actual gun pages will still have assault rifle or battle rifle category.

[Spartan198]

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by predator20

Mazryonh,

I think you misunderstood.

MPM is talking about on movie pages that are categorized by weapon type. (Handgun, Shotgun, SMG, etc) The actual gun pages will still have assault rifle or battle rifle category.

No, I knew beforehand that MPM was talking about eliminating the different rifle designations within the tables of contents for movie, television, anime, or game entries to curb the "negative public relations," not eliminating classifications within the weapon entries themselves. I'm saying that we would lose a great deal of organization within a page, and it would make it more time-consuming to order alphabetically since where there were two to six classes of rifles previously (assault rifles/battle rifles/designated marksmen rifles/sniper rifles/semiautomatic-only rifles), you now have one big "rifles" entry that will be that much harder and time-consuming to alphabetize, not to mention harder to find individual weapon entries within. It is easier to alphabetize weapon entries within a single work of fiction with multiple appropriate weapon class sections.

But seriously, MPM, who on Earth here has been complaining about the designations of rifles in entries on this site? By no means are we actually distributing or using firearms against the wrong people in real life by making entries on this website; we are simply cataloguing them in works of FICTION. If they have a problem with so many "evil assault rifles" in a movie, they should take it up with the movie's creators, not us. It's not our problem. And the "semiautomatic-only rifle" category would encompass rifles like the SKS or M1 carbine handily.

[Excalibur]

What about bolt action rifles? Should they get a category to themselves?

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

What about bolt action rifles? Should they get a category to themselves?

I don't see any reason why not, unless they're actually battle rifles, like the M1 Garand or Mosin Nagant M91/30, or converted to be Sniper/Designated Marksmen Rifles by sticking a scope on top.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

No, I knew beforehand that MPM was talking about eliminating the different rifle designations within the tables of contents for movie, television, anime, or game entries to curb the "negative public relations," not eliminating classifications within the weapon entries themselves. I'm saying that we would lose a great deal of organization within a page, and it would make it more time-consuming to order alphabetically since where there were two to six classes of rifles previously (assault rifles/battle rifles/designated marksmen rifles/sniper rifles/semiautomatic-only rifles), you now have one big "rifles" entry that will be that much harder and time-consuming to alphabetize, not to mention harder to find individual weapon entries within. It is easier to alphabetize weapon entries within a single work of fiction with multiple appropriate weapon class sections.

But seriously, MPM, who on Earth here has been complaining about the designations of rifles in entries on this site? By no means are we actually distributing or using firearms against the wrong people in real life by making entries on this website; we are simply cataloguing them in works of FICTION. If they have a problem with so many "evil assault rifles" in a movie, they should take it up with the movie's creators, not us.

That's too many categories. In some pages if you were doing it that way you would have maybe one rifle in each rifle category. Also I don't alphabetize, I start with what the main characters use and then whats used the most after that.

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

And the "semiautomatic-only rifle" category would encompass rifles like the SKS or M1 carbine handily.

What about a Mini-14? It looks pretty much like an M1 carbine. But has the same firepower as an AR.

MPM quote
"In the civilian world of semi auto only weapons, there is NO difference between a Ruger mini 14 rifle in a plain wooden stock and an AR15 in evil black tactical furniture when it comes to firepower."

That's the point MPM was trying to make.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by predator20

MPM quote
"In the civilian world of semi auto only weapons, there is NO difference between a Ruger mini 14 rifle in a plain wooden stock and an AR15 in evil black tactical furniture when it comes to firepower."

That's the point MPM was trying to make.

That was my point (Predator20 gets it), and Mazryonh, you just don't seem to get it. There should be TOO MANY categories on a movie page. You can sub-categorize it all you want, but we don't want to add layers upon layers of subcategories on movie/tv/etc. pages. We don't ALL have Asberger's Syndrome There is the overall encompassing category: Rifle. (As a note, we do still lump smooth bore muskets into this category since they were the pre-cursor, but that's a minor issue considering how many pages have muskets as a listing).

The categorization on pages with lots of guns should be handguns, Submachine guns, Rifles, Shotguns, Machine guns, Other Weapons. That's it. Yes, we ALL know about the subcategories, but those details should be on the individual gun pages.

[Mazryonh]

If that's what you want, then I suppose it's your fiat. Would it then be against the new rules to include a rifle's separate designation within each weapon's entry inside a game's, or movie's, or television show's page? Such as if a game has an AK-47, can we then write "This assault rifle appeared in this game under the assumed name of"? Similarly, if a game has an FN SCAR-H, can we then write "This battle rifle appeared in this game under the assumed name of"?

If it's for the sake of convenience to the majority of users on imfdb, then so much the better, but honestly, who has been complaining about the bad public image of assault rifles here?

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

who has been complaining about the bad public image of assault rifles here?

Some have voiced their concerns, and no, they usually don't voice them to you (not being a mod and all) it is prudent considering the political climate in the U.S. (after all, most IMFDB users are well educated enough to know the difference, but the lay public IS NOT).