Weapons in the Red Dawn Remake

[Ace Oliveira]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

It could be the 103s are standing in for 74Ms. Both are externally similar.

Wouldn't it be easier to get AK-74Ms instead of AK-103s?

[MT2008]

Those aren't genuine AK-103s. If you look closely, you can see that they have the AKM-style front sight, gas tube, and ribbed receiver cover. They're probably AKMs (Egyptian, most likely) fitted with Bulgarian plastic furniture and AK100-style flash hiders.

Anyway, the reason why they're using these is probably because American armorers have more difficulty getting ahold of the latest Russian and Chinese weapons, so they often use other weapons as stand-ins. Canadian and British armorers, however, do seem to have much easier access to the newest weaponry. As Excalibur has pointed out, "Stargate: Atlantis" has featured some QBZ-97s, because it seems that one of the Canadian armories has managed to purchase some of those from Norinco. I imagine it'd be much harder for American armories to do the same.

But then again, I haven't had the chance to visit any of the American armories (yet), so maybe they have acquired new stuff.

Originally Posted by Ace Oliveira

Wouldn't it be easier to get AK-74Ms instead of AK-103s?

No. If an American armorer wanted to simulate the AK-74M, I imagine what they would do is take the Chinese Type 84 (which was sold in the U.S., and very often stands in for the AK-74 in our movies), give it plastic furniture and a fake AK-74 flash hider, and then pass that off as an AK-74M.

[MT2008]

BTW, I realize it's kind of hearsay to say it, but...the very idea of this movie is laughable. I know this scenario is the fantasy of American gun owners everywhere, but face the facts, guys: America is China's biggest export customer, and China is America's biggest creditor. It would be economic and political suicide for China to invade the U.S. because their internal stability basically hinges on their economic relationship with us. All of China's crackpot Third World "allies" (from North Korea to Iran) put together could never take our place in their economy.

And of course, everyone knows that China is not a communist country anymore (except in name), so the "Red" in the title is irrelevant. If the title were going to reflect what China really is today, it should be something more like "Confucian/Han Pride Dawn", but I guess that wouldn't be politically correct. Anyway, Marxism (and socialism in general) is pretty much dead all around the world, and has been for the better part of 20 years, so y'all might as well accept that a "Red Dawn" is never going to happen, ever. A "Green Dawn", on the other hand...

Also, if you ever want to know how China might REALLY try to conquer us, read up on their tactics in cyber-warfare.

[Ace Oliveira]

Originally Posted by MT2008

BTW, I realize it's kind of hearsay to say it, but...the very idea of this movie is laughable. I know this scenario is the fantasy of American gun owners everywhere, but face the facts, guys: America is China's biggest export customer, and China is America's biggest creditor. It would be economic and political suicide for China to invade the U.S. because their internal stability basically hinges on their economic relationship with us. All of China's crackpot Third World "allies" (from North Korea to Iran) put together could never take our place in their economy.

And of course, everyone knows that China is not a communist country anymore (except in name), so the "Red" in the title is irrelevant. If the title were going to reflect what China really is today, it should be something more like "Confucian/Han Pride Dawn", but I guess that wouldn't be politically correct. Anyway, Marxism (and socialism in general) is pretty much dead all around the world, and has been for the better part of 20 years, so y'all might as well accept that a "Red Dawn" is never going to happen, ever. A "Green Dawn", on the other hand...

Also, if you ever want to know how China might REALLY try to conquer us, read up on their tactics in cyber-warfare.

I always wanted to say that. Hell, even the original Red Dawn was kind of stupid. At least it was a good movie, though. Invading the US is just a retarded idea.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Nyles

Actually, the Norinco Type-97 is even sold commercially here. Both standard and shorty versions. Not my cup of tea, but I've heard good thing.

Hmmm, that's really interesting. But don't you guys already have your own anti-assault rifle laws?

And yes, it does seem Canada gets the latest Chinese weapons in bulk. That certainly explains the QBZ-97s that Americans have seen in our TV shows and movies that were filmed in Canada.

Originally Posted by Ace Oliveira

I always wanted to say that. Hell, even the original Red Dawn was kind of stupid. At least it was a good movie, though. Invading the US is just a retarded idea.

Yeah, I love the original as much as anyone, even if it was an absurd concept. But remaking "Red Dawn", 20 years after the Cold War ended and "Reds" ceased to exist, just seems to be pissing on the original's historical value (and yes, I do consider "Red Dawn" to be a film of enduring historical value).

[gunguy001]

So close to doing this in my neck of the woods, we have the 95 97 all ready to go!

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by gunguy001

So close to doing this in my neck of the woods, we have the 95 97 all ready to go!

Ah, so they are actually filming some of the movie in Canada? And Movie Armaments Group is supplying weapons for the show?

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by gunguy001

So close to doing this in my neck of the woods, we have the 95 97 all ready to go!

For the red dawn remake??

I was kind of disappointed when I saw the PLA soldier actors armed with AK-47 type rifles when in RL they have a weapon as unique looking as the QBZ 95.I was hoping to at least see a mock-up of the QBZ-95; though I'm not in the industry so what do I know.

Hopefully the action in the film is good.

-sorry for poor writing structure/grammar, I am tired

[Markit]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Anyway, the reason why they're using these is probably because American armorers have more difficulty getting ahold of the latest Russian and Chinese weapons, so they often use other weapons as stand-ins. Canadian and British armorers, however, do seem to have much easier access to the newest weaponry. As Excalibur has pointed out, "Stargate: Atlantis" has featured some QBZ-97s, because it seems that one of the Canadian armories has managed to purchase some of those from Norinco. I imagine it'd be much harder for American armories to do the same.

But then again, I haven't had the chance to visit any of the American armories (yet), so maybe they have acquired new stuff.

That seems to be a fairly plausible reason since IIRC the ban on Norinco products in the U.S is still in effect, although I'm curious as to why the armorers couldn't have modified a bullpup style weapon like the Century Arms AK to look like a QBZ 95.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Markit

That seems to be a fairly plausible reason since IIRC the ban on Norinco products in the U.S is still in effect, although I'm curious as to why the armorers couldn't have modified a bullpup style weapon like the Century Arms AK to look like a QBZ 95.

Good point. An even better option might have been the Ruger Mini-14 with the Muzzlelite stock. American armorers used to love those in the 1990s because they could make sci-fi firearms with them (i.e. the Moritas from "Starship Troopers"). I imagine that'd be a possible QBZ stand-in.

It might also be, however, that the director (who makes the final choices on weapons) decided that he wanted the Chinese soldiers to use AKs because those are universally associated with "Reds".