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[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

The thing that bugs me about the show so far, (like I said, still only three episodes in,) is that Longmire carries his M1911 in Condition 2. (I suppose it could be Condition 3 as well.) I can imagine someone who was issued an M1911 not being comfortable carrying a loaded and cocked sidearm, but I can't imagine anyone who would CHOOSE to carry an M1911 and not carrying it cocked. Do they explain that in a later episode? With all the guns in the show, you figure someone on the set would've picked up on that.

I don't think you should read too much into what condition people carry pistols in for TV and movies. I would imagine that most of the time when you see a pistol in a holster it is either a replica or completely unloaded, so don' think they would bother cocking it to look like it was loaded. Also, they might not like people walking around with a holstered gun that it cocked, as it may be a safety concern.

Just BTW, I don't think you should ever carry a 1911 in condition 2 anyway, either 1 or 3 are the safer ways. It was designed to be carried cocked with the safety on, and in the original 1911s (pre Series 80 I think) there wasn't a hammer block meaning that if dropped from a height or knocked with considerable force there is a danger of it going off it it was kept hammer down on a loaded chamber.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by commando552

I don't think you should read too much into what condition people carry pistols in for TV and movies. I would imagine that most of the time when you see a pistol in a holster it is either a replica or completely unloaded, so don' think they would bother cocking it to look like it was loaded. Also, they might not like people walking around with a holstered gun that it cocked, as it may be a safety concern.

Just BTW, I don't think you should ever carry a 1911 in condition 2 anyway, either 1 or 3 are the safer ways. It was designed to be carried cocked with the safety on, and in the original 1911s (pre Series 80 I think) there wasn't a hammer block meaning that if dropped from a height or knocked with considerable force there is a danger of it going off it it was kept hammer down on a loaded chamber.

Well, the safety issue is another reason why it bugs me. I've seen a lot of debate online as to whether or not Browning designed it to be carried cocked, but my point was, if he had any safety concerns, he probably would've picked a different sidearm. And I understand that it's just a show, and I've seen plenty of that capping Law & Order , (I'm still kicking myself for not keeping that cap of a cop walking around with an empty holster,) but this show talks a lot about guns, in a gun-friendly region.

[funkychinaman]

It's the details that they DO get that make the ones they miss really annoying. They actually show Walt decocking his M1911 in one scene before reholstering, so Condition 2 is a deliberate choice. But then they have him raiding a tent with pistol drawn but hammer down. In another scene, they had another character use the decocker on his P226 before handing it over to someone else. The fact that the gun was in his left hand made the action even more deliberate.

I'm had it with trying to cap from streaming, there's just too much movement. I'm just going to get the discs from Netflix.

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

It's the details that they DO get that make the ones they miss really annoying. They actually show Walt decocking his M1911 in one scene before reholstering, so Condition 2 is a deliberate choice. But then they have him raiding a tent with pistol drawn but hammer down. In another scene, they had another character use the decocker on his P226 before handing it over to someone else. The fact that the gun was in his left hand made the action even more deliberate.

I'm had it with trying to cap from streaming, there's just too much movement. I'm just going to get the discs from Netflix.

This show is by no means alone in having people hold an M1911 with the hammer down and treating it like it is ready to fire. People aiming single action pistols with the hammer down is up there with pistols firing more than a magazine's worth of bullet without reloading in terms of common gun goofs.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by commando552

This show is by no means alone in having people hold an M1911 with the hammer down and treating it like it is ready to fire. People aiming single action pistols with the hammer down is up there with pistols firing more than a magazine's worth of bullet without reloading in terms of common gun goofs.

Oh, I know that, but like I said, to miss that and then including rarely seen details like decocking? I don't remember ever seeing anyone on TV use the decocker on a SIG-Sauer before, much less left-handed. (And the shooter wasn't even left-handed.)

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Oh, I know that, but like I said, to miss that and then including rarely seen details like decocking? I don't remember ever seeing anyone on TV use the decocker on a SIG-Sauer before, much less left-handed. (And the shooter wasn't even left-handed.)

I haven't seen it, but I assume that decocking the gun in this case is important to the plot or to the flow of the scene, as opposed to having the hammer cocked on a single action contributes nothing with the exception of a tiny bit of realism that probably less than 1% will notice or care about. To me I see a decocked SA pistol as a goof rather than a suggestion that someone is intentionally carrying in condition 2. Similarly to how I assume it is a goof if someone fires 18 round out of a P226 rather than assuming they are using a Mec-Gar flush fit extended mag or something.

Using the decocker is pretty rare though but dropping the hammer with you thumb appears quite a lot, I guess because to the general audience decocked equals safe. I have seen a few things where people use a decocker properly on a gun though, a P226 in Jormungand and P99s in a few Bond films are the only thing that I can immediately think of but am sure there are others.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by commando552

I haven't seen it, but I assume that decocking the gun in this case is important to the plot or to the flow of the scene, as opposed to having the hammer cocked on a single action contributes nothing with the exception of a tiny bit of realism that probably less than 1% will notice or care about. To me I see a decocked SA pistol as a goof rather than a suggestion that someone is intentionally carrying in condition 2. Similarly to how I assume it is a goof if someone fires 18 round out of a P226 rather than assuming they are using a Mec-Gar flush fit extended mag or something.

Using the decocker is pretty rare though but dropping the hammer with you thumb appears quite a lot, I guess because to the general audience decocked equals safe. I have seen a few things where people use a decocker properly on a gun though, a P226 in Jormungand and P99s in a few Bond films are the only thing that I can immediately think of but am sure there are others.

The guy with the P226 decocked right before surrendering his pistol. Since it was in his left hand, he had to move this thumb to the left, which looked a bit awkward. I'm guessing lefties would be more likely to use the thumb and trigger method.

I've never used the decocker on a SIG-Sauer, is it safe to just flick it with your thumb? With my P38, I read someplace that you were supposed to hold the hammer back with your right thumb while flicking the safety/decocker with your left hand. I'm not sure if that's for all pistols with decockers or just the P38 because it's old.