Confused about the "Carbine" category

[Mazryonh]

Well, I hope then that all the "Dedicated Carbines" find their appropriate "parent firearm type" pages then.

Some examples, like the CX4, would be easy since the CX4 is a pistol-caliber carbine, not a submachine gun (though related to that class) by virtue of being semiautomatic-fire only. The M1 Carbine could be considered a prototypical assault-rifle since it uses an intermediate cartridge, but only the M2 version had select-fire capability, and its cartridge (the .30 Carbine) used pistol primer, which certainly seems underpowered for an assault rifle.

How about the De Lisle Carbine? Is it going to go under the submachine gun category as well since it could be argued that its of an integral suppressor makes it a bolt-action predecessor to the MP5SD series?

[Mandolin1]

The De Lisle Carbine is obvously a rifle and should be classed as such. It's a bolt-action and is very obviously not full-auto.

[BlackIce_GTS]

The PX4 does have a 'de-sporterized' SMG variant now (MX4). We'll probably see some in films eventually, since they're so 'futuristic looking'. Classifying it is sort of the same situation as the HK94, but backwards.
The DeLisle was based on a SMLE, so I'd call it a rifle. Even if it fires .45ACP from a 1911 mag through a Tommy gun barrel.

[Mandolin1]

You forgot to mention the Lee-Enfield stock. EDIT: oh, wait you did. Never mind

[Mazryonh]

Originally Posted by BlackIce_GTS

The PX4 does have a 'de-sporterized' SMG variant now (MX4). We'll probably see some in films eventually, since they're so 'futuristic looking'. Classifying it is sort of the same situation as the HK94, but backwards.

So we'll put the MX4 on the same page as the CX4 when it starts appearing in media, much like we have pistol-caliber carbines on the same pages as their parent firearms (such as the Uzi SMG and Uzi Carbine, the MP5 and HK94, and the UMP and UCP)?

It seems pretty rare that an SMG version of a pistol-caliber carbine is officially produced after the pistol caliber carbine is commercially available.

[Evil Tim]

Originally Posted by Mandolin1

The De Lisle Carbine is obvously a rifle and should be classed as such. It's a bolt-action and is very obviously not full-auto.

I wouldn't say obviously, it's more like a giant pistol with a stock and barrel extension since it still fires a pistol bullet. Though it's so much of a frankengun that if it had only appeared in a videogame rather than real life you'd probably have arguments about whether it should be on any pages at all.