just for fun.....Fantasy ww2 weapons

[Mandolin1]

Half the M1 carbine's problem was coming out in an age in which 7.62 NATO, considered a "full-power rifle round" today, would be thought underpowered compared to German 7.92x57, Russian 7.62x54, the US 7.62x63 (.30'06) and others like them. The 30. carbine round is, according to Wikipedia, 7.62x36mm, placing it well out of the pistol range of 19-25mm long casings (only the 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 are longer. Seems 25mm is about the length limit for pistol rounds) and closer to the 7.92x33 Kurtz and 7.62x39 in power, though, admittadly the .30 carbine round is round-nose rather than pointed and the casing is strait. Still, .30 carbine is NOT a pistol round. Yes, some pistols are chambered. Still dosn't make it a pistol round.

The above issue bugs me almost as much as the whole "M1 Garnad ping got guys killed/used fake ping to expose enemies" nonsense.

[Yournamehere]

I believe the "underpowered" nature of the .30 Carbine is, like a lot of commentary in the gun world, pure rumor, and I'll think that until I see extensive reports saying otherwise. On paper, of course it's weaker that the full powered rounds, but by no means is it weak, from a ballistic point of view. And, again, it accomplished what the military needed it to, so no complaints. Stacking it against actual battle rifles is unfair though.

There's also this for what it's worth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ktaTbgQsU

Not sure at what range that is, but that's 6 layers of wet denim, and a 6 inch wooden block, and it goes clean through, so anything on penetration I'll about dismiss. If you say it's underpowered too, you have to say that the .45, which is ballistically weaker, is also underpowered, and the ever potent 7.62 Tokarev, is underpowered too.

[k9870]

Stacking it against actual battle rifles is unfair though.

Not when it was slated to do same job its not....

It was good in its original role (scout/rear echelon rifle) but then it tried to fill the battle rifle role, which was stupid.

[Yournamehere]

As if the gun acted of its own accord... the military rotated it into that role after nations were trying to phase out the several guns they would issue for specific roles for all around guns like the FAL and AK47. Even so, during the WWII era, it was built for a specific role, filled that role and perhaps then some. Comparing it to a main battle rifle during that era isn't fair, it wasn't supposed to be that during the time period.