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Old 02-28-2011, 12:18 AM
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I'd say the Idea of this is great, having more than one release allows one to have a preference of how they change mags. Same with sling points.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:16 AM
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Tool-less break down is nice, and the barrel actually is quick change, very quick, and its truly abidextrous, not like the aug thats a chore to swap. Just seems light, user friendly and full of features.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:52 AM
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The next generation weapon systems would be worth looking at if they didn't cost so much per unit, that's the main problem. For civilians, it's nice to pay maybe an extra 500-1000 dollars to get every conveivable bell and whistle short of an "auto" setting on the selector switch, but the militaries of the world have weapons that work well enough at a certain price point, and if that can't be beat, chaning is just detrimental. It's said the Beretta 92 won the contract over the SIG submission partially, if not primarily, because they brought the cost down. The'll stick with the gun that has a problem four times as often as long as it costs one fourth as much, or even one half as much. Economics!
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:14 AM
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I dont care if it gets big contracts, I just want a civilian version as a fun gun maybe carbine courses. Its just surprising, I generally dont like beretta products based on fit/features (HATE slide mounted safeties.) u22 grip is skinny and it feels toylike, and the pocket pistols are too tiny and pretty heavy for the size, cx4 is expensive for a psitol caliber plinker. But then this...damn me liking beretta.......
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:21 AM
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I dont care if it gets big contracts, I just want a civilian version as a fun gun maybe carbine courses. Its just surprising, I generally dont like beretta products based on fit/features (HATE slide mounted safeties.) u22 grip is skinny and it feels toylike, and the pocket pistols are too tiny and pretty heavy for the size, cx4 is expensive for a psitol caliber plinker. But then this...damn me liking beretta.......
If it's any consolation, I think the Cougar is a pretty cool gun
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:45 AM
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It's pretty cool. I'm always down for more fun new innovative guns. Is it better then the M4 or other current rifles in its class? Maybe. Maybe not. Probably not. But who cares? It looks fun and it's something different for people. The only major issue I have with it is that the bolt release is inside the trigger guard. Kinda nice if you are trying to get back in the fight in the middle of a firefight but kinda unsafe the rest of the time. I keep my finger away from the trigger until I am going to shoot.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:18 AM
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Actually, the ACRs have come down in price, at least on Gunbroker. There's more than one Enhanced version on there for just under 2000 bucks. I also agree that it's at least neat that these types of guns are being made, but don't treat them as if they ARE IN FACT DEFINITELY the next big military thing, because they aren't yet. They are just neat.

Beretta's product line is not that bad, and relatively speaking, not that overpriced, and I already explained why the slide mounted safety is NOT to be HATED, and I would reiterate, but right now I have something else to do.
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The next generation weapon systems would be worth looking at if they didn't cost so much per unit, that's the main problem. For civilians, it's nice to pay maybe an extra 500-1000 dollars to get every conveivable bell and whistle short of an "auto" setting on the selector switch, but the militaries of the world have weapons that work well enough at a certain price point, and if that can't be beat, chaning is just detrimental.
For example, the Argentine Navy adopted the M16 instead the FAMAS due to the price (300$ against +-1000$).
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:00 PM
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Ive heard the beretta was 12 dollars a unit less than the p226 which caused the military to adopt it, we also wanted a base in italy and giving an italian company the contract would secure it. I personally like the p226 much better than the beretta, due to better sights (SIGlight night sights, not an issue on the military ones they were using bar dot back then.) More confortable grip, no slide mounted safety and better trigger.
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:29 PM
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Ive heard the beretta was 12 dollars a unit less than the p226 which caused the military to adopt it, we also wanted a base in italy and giving an italian company the contract would secure it. I personally like the p226 much better than the beretta, due to better sights (SIGlight night sights, not an issue on the military ones they were using bar dot back then.) More confortable grip, no slide mounted safety and better trigger.
According to the source below, the P226 was actually a little more than two dollars cheaper per pistol, but the overall package price, which included spares and mags, cost much more than the Beretta 92F.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Rx...%20xm9&f=false
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