Anti Gun movies

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by MT2008

I forgot to mention that there's an episode of "The Closer" where Kyra Sedgewick's squad is trying to track down a group of teenagers who are plotting a mass shooting. The teenagers have acquired M4s, body armor, propane tanks, and detonators. What's seriously retarded, though, is that at one point in the episode, the squad goes back to the mall where they got the propane tanks, and Sedgewick says that she wants to check out a sporting goods store at the mall where she thinks they bought their guns. In other words, the show is implying that kids can get M4s at their local mall sporting goods store!

Ben41 told me on the discussion page for the show that I was mistaken about this, but I watched the episode again, and I don't believe I am. I consider the promotion of such ignorance to be quite "anti-gun".

Were these "M4s" full auto in the episode? But let's put that aside. Say a sporting goods store DID sell AR-15s and they looked like M4s, as in stock, carrying handle, receivers, and barrel length being close enough. I don't think stores are allowed to sell anything shorter than 16in barrels. And let's say this fictional store just sells a standard 16in barrel length. These are teenagers. They couldn't have legally bought rifles unless they are 18, which I am assuming the episode is implying they are not and if they showed the "M4s" shooting full auto, how many teens know how to convert civilian rifles to full auto? And body armor? Did the episode say how they get those?

And you don't just "buy" detonators for anything, unless they took some from construction grade explosive and even then, that's a stretch.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Were these "M4s" full auto in the episode? But let's put that aside. Say a sporting goods store DID sell AR-15s and they looked like M4s, as in stock, carrying handle, receivers, and barrel length being close enough. I don't think stores are allowed to sell anything shorter than 16in barrels. And let's say this fictional store just sells a standard 16in barrel length. These are teenagers. They couldn't have legally bought rifles unless they are 18, which I am assuming the episode is implying they are not and if they showed the "M4s" shooting full auto, how many teens know how to convert civilian rifles to full auto? And body armor? Did the episode say how they get those?

And you don't just "buy" detonators for anything, unless they took some from construction grade explosive and even then, that's a stretch.

Also were they supposed to be rich kids? I could barely afford gas to put in my car in high school. It was way cheaper back then too, 10 years ago. Of course I think minimum wage was around $5.15.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Were these "M4s" full auto in the episode?

Yes. One of the boys (the last one they don't catch beforehand) uses an M4 in a mall shooting at the end of the episode, and it's fired on full-auto. Of course, despite the fact that they have only their sidearms, they still manage to take him down.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

But let's put that aside. Say a sporting goods store DID sell AR-15s and they looked like M4s, as in stock, carrying handle, receivers, and barrel length being close enough. I don't think stores are allowed to sell anything shorter than 16in barrels.

Of course not. A rifle with a barrel under 16" (or 26" overall length) would be an SBR, and therefore regulated by the NFA. The M4s used in the episode of "The Closer" had 14.5" barrels.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

And let's say this fictional store just sells a standard 16in barrel length. These are teenagers. They couldn't have legally bought rifles unless they are 18, which I am assuming the episode is implying they are not

I think one of them was 18. I don't remember.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

And body armor? Did the episode say how they get those?

No. I'm assuming that the idiots who wrote the episode figured that they could have got the vests from the sporting goods store, too.

Originally Posted by predator20

Also were they supposed to be rich kids?

Middle class, maybe upper-middle class. Not like filthy rich.

[Excalibur]

I dont know anything about buying body armor, but if you have the money, could you get it legally? or do you have to jump through some hoops like with guns?

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I dont know anything about buying body armor, but if you have the money, could you get it legally? or do you have to jump through some hoops like with guns?

It's really, really expensive

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I dont know anything about buying body armor, but if you have the money, could you get it legally? or do you have to jump through some hoops like with guns?

At one point, I was thinking about buying a vest, not because I need it or expect to use it, but because I thought it might be fun to own. The type I wanted was a Platinum AA301, which is a popular vest worn by cops (it's also the type worn by Benicio Del Toro and Ryan Phillipe's characters in "Way of the Gun", during the final shootout).

I found out that I could buy the vest itself (minus the Spectra Shield A350 plates) online with no problem, the plates if I had no criminal background. Problem is, it would have cost $600, and that was for a used vest. I didn't have that kind of money (this was a few months after I bought my AR-15), and even if I did, I decided that there were better things to spend it on.

Also, I should point out that there are plenty of airsoft retailers that sell vests, but not with real plates. I used to own a Pantac vest with fake (plastic) plates that I got from Red Wolf years ago, which I wore underneath my web gear in skirmishes.

[S&Wshooter]

A place around here sells body armour, but you may have to be a LEO to buy one from them

[funkychinaman]

Re: the Closer episode,

Maybe the original script laid out how the boys got their equipment, but got cut down due to time or flow. Maybe a lengthy scene explaining the various loops and taxes involved just got edited down to "we bought them at the mall."

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Re: the Closer episode,

Maybe the original script laid out how the boys got their equipment, but got cut down due to time or flow. Maybe a lengthy scene explaining the various loops and taxes involved just got edited down to "we bought them at the mall."

Or maybe the writer is a dumbass who doesn't know the first thing about guns and body armor