Zombie Survival - Choice of Firearm

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by sillybunz13

First of all, I NEVER SAID "KILL"! I said immobilize! IMMOBILIZE as in it can't move! Without the spine of a human on the zombie, it would be pretty much just lay there!

Second of all, 28 Days later was like a rage disease like rabies but far more advaced created by scientists.

Last, I have all my weapons and mags, so I will always be prepared for any type of situation. You'll be the one that will need UPS to deliver your shit by the time this type of shit happens.

Zombies were created by Hollywood. In every zombie movie made in the world, they can be killed by brain damage or immobilize by destroying the bone structure, dumbass. So you can cook up all these stupid theories in your head saying "what is a zombie?" when you already know what the fuck they are. So based on "fantasy", what movie or video game have you found where zombies are fucking indestructable? None! Thank you!

You based your weapons on thinking that you can kill zombies. If you didn't think that they could die, why would you have weapons at all? Exactly! The beginning of this argument was that my weapons of choice were better than yours. If zombies can die from what we were told in movies, then my choices are far better than yours. End of story. You lost, get over it, don't change the subject!

Here are my weapons just in case you forgot:

Primary:
A DSA SA58 FAL PARA Elite Compact Rifle, .308 Cal. hollow points with an EOtech sight, ITC cheek rest, Extreme Duty scope mount, a SureFire M900, a SAW pistol grip, a three point sling, and 6 extra 30 round magazines.

Secondary:
A Sig Sauer P220 Elite Dark TB, .45 ACP hydrashoks with an STL-100C tactical light, 6 extra 10 round magazines, and an IWB holster.

I would have a Molle Tactical Vest to fit all the magazine pouches and other accessories.

Yes I own and shot these weapons. I own everything expect the molle vest.

If there's a movie that says you can stop a zombie by immobilizing the bone structure, then so be it. That's all you had to say. "According to movie X, you can do it." But don't say, "because it works on a human, it works on a zombie," or "science says so," The question remains, what is a zombie? Are your "zombies" fast, like in the new Dawn of the Dead, or slow, like in all the other Romero movies. I didn't say they couldn't "die" I just said you have to define how to kill them, and that definition can't come from science.

But fine, let's just assume that you can stop one with a bone injury and that it would stop coming at you, bleeding out perhaps. You've got six mags for each weapon, good for 240 rounds. (6x30 + 6x10, in case you wanted to just curse some more instead of doing the math) So what happens after 240 rounds?

The weapons I listed were for slow zombies that can only by stopped by damaging the brain. (See how I defined the threat there?) For a slow moving, yet small target, a shotgun would work better than a rifle, and the fact that I can load and fire one round at a time relatively quickly, means that I can hold out as long as I have ammo, rather than as long as I have mags. If I have to deal with quick moving zombies, I might go with the same mix. A spine is still a small target, and aiming below center mass isn't natural, so I'd probably forget to do it in the heat of the moment. So we're talking about a sightly larger target, but now moving much faster. I'd also swap out the tomahawk for my sharpened entrenching tool, you can inflict more blunt head trauma that way.

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If there's a movie that says you can stop a zombie by immobilizing the bone structure, then so be it. That's all you had to say. "According to movie X, you can do it." But don't say, "because it works on a human, it works on a zombie," or "science says so," The question remains, what is a zombie? Are your "zombies" fast, like in the new Dawn of the Dead, or slow, like in all the other Romero movies. I didn't say they couldn't "die" I just said you have to define how to kill them, and that definition can't come from science.

But fine, let's just assume that you can stop one with a bone injury and that it would stop coming at you, bleeding out perhaps. You've got six mags for each weapon, good for 240 rounds. (6x30 + 6x10, in case you wanted to just curse some more instead of doing the math) So what happens after 240 rounds?

The weapons I listed were for slow zombies that can only by stopped by damaging the brain. (See how I defined the threat there?) For a slow moving, yet small target, a shotgun would work better than a rifle, and the fact that I can load and fire one round at a time relatively quickly, means that I can hold out as long as I have ammo, rather than as long as I have mags. If I have to deal with quick moving zombies, I might go with the same mix. A spine is still a small target, and aiming below center mass isn't natural, so I'd probably forget to do it in the heat of the moment. So we're talking about a sightly larger target, but now moving much faster. I'd also swap out the tomahawk for my sharpened entrenching tool, you can inflict more blunt head trauma that way.

First of all, magazines are re-loadable. This amount is enough to hold me off until I would find more ammunition, not fight off all the zombies. With a pump action shotgun, reloading one by one is SLOOOW, compared to a magazine fed rifle that is semi automatic that shoots a .308 cal. I can let off more accurate shots from a further range. If it's close, I'm trained by the United States Army Infantry to react fast and shoot accurately at the same time. Also I can reload in short periods of time like 1-3 seconds rather than 30 seconds. One .308 will knock down a zombie no problem, giving me enough time to escape. So would a buck shot but you have 8+1 at the most. What would you do if they were closing in fast and you run out of ammo on the shotgun? Use your revolver? After 6 shots, then what? You picked the 2 slowest reloading weapons and you except the zombies to wait for you to reload? You might as well you a bolt action LOL! I will live thanks to my "stupid" magazines, and you will die reliably with faithful pump action and you revolver.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by sillybunz13

First of all, magazines are re-loadable. This amount is enough to hold me off until I would find more ammunition, not fight off all the zombies. With a pump action shotgun, reloading one by one is SLOOOW, compared to a magazine fed rifle that is semi automatic that shoots a .308 cal. I can let off more accurate shots from a further range. If it's close, I'm trained by the United States Army Infantry to react fast and shoot accurately at the same time. Also I can reload in short periods of time like 1-3 seconds rather than 30 seconds. One .308 will knock down a zombie no problem, giving me enough time to escape. So would a buck shot but you have 8+1 at the most. What would you do if they were closing in fast and you run out of ammo on the shotgun? Use your revolver? After 6 shots, then what? You picked the 2 slowest reloading weapons and you except the zombies to wait for you to reload? You might as well you a bolt action LOL! I will live thanks to my "stupid" magazines, and you will die reliably with faithful pump action and you revolver.

If you had read my posts or knew anything about shotguns, you would've known that with most pump shotguns, you don't have to load the magazine to fire it. Just open the breech, drop a shell into the ejection port, close the breech, and fire. If you do that, you can fire as long as you have shells. See the videos below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrlsElWfnC0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSgi4qR8KOk

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by sillybunz13

First of all, magazines are re-loadable.

... you except the zombies to wait for you to reload?

How long does it take YOU to reload a thirty round mag? (And remember, you chose fast zombies.)

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Shotguns can use speedloaders, all the convenience of a magazine while retaining the versatility of manual reloading.

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

How long does it take YOU to reload a thirty round mag? (And remember, you chose fast zombies.)

If you read my post, you would have read that it takes 1 to 3 seconds to reload a new mag dumbshit. By the time, you load your shotgun I would have 3 accurate shots already. Good job, if you know anything about weapons, it's that magazine fed weapons are the best. That's why military, law enforcement, and spec ops use them, not fucking pump actions and and revolvers. Stop living in the 1950's. You're still dead.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by sillybunz13

If you read my post, you would have read that it takes 1 to 3 seconds to reload a new mag dumbshit. By the time, you load your shotgun I would have 3 accurate shots already. Good job, if you know anything about weapons, it's that magazine fed weapons are the best. That's why military, law enforcement, and spec ops use them, not fucking pump actions and and revolvers. Stop living in the 1950's. You're still dead.

He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

Thank you. I'm glad it was obvious to some.

[The Wierd It]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Thank you. I'm glad it was obvious to some.

I got it right off the bat. This isn't a video game where all your half-empty mags get combined to make full ones automatically.

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

He meant how long does it take to load an empty magazine with loose rounds.

It'll take just as long as a shotgun but you're supposed to load before you decided to go outside. 7 30 magazines of 7.62x51 rounds with hollow points would hold off a lot of zombies until you find more ammo. You know how bulky and big he would be if he had 210 Buckshot SHELLS! Good luck.

Being prepared with a pump action and a revolver is dumb. Carrying shells and revolver rounds is clunky, slow to reload, and all over the place. It's not organized and slow. You would take forever to reload in the middle of zombies chasing you. You would die. If you reload with magazines, it's faster and it can save your life with the time saved. Like I said before, that's in war people use magazine fed rifles because it's organized and it's faster.