Dude, this is simply awesome...

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

None of this would be necessary if drugs were legal.

Homicide Detectives wouldn't be necessary if Murder was legal

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Gun control wasn't an issue in this country until after drugs and alcohol were made illegal. Chew on that for a few minutes.

Take your pothead agenda elsewhere, this is a movie gun forum...

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Homicide Detectives wouldn't be necessary if Murder was legal

The prohibition of murder hasn't lead to the militarization of police, the massive encroachment on our basic civil liberties, overcrowding of prisons, wasteful spending of tax dollars to appease a moralist minority, or the endless cycle of violence perpetuated by the ridiculous profits margins that can be obtained from an untaxed and unregulated market with an unending demand.

Most murders are drug related by virtue of being gang related, so it would actually make homicide detectives jobs (and the jobs of all law enforcement) a whole lot easier to just axe this gigantic bloated Sisyphean assault on common sense.

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Take your pothead agenda elsewhere, this is a movie gun forum...

This is the Just Guns subforum, movie discussion not necessary. And I don't have a "pothead" agenda, I have a freedom and liberty agenda. Banning something because you don't like it is the exact opposite of what being an American is supposed to be about.

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

The prohibition of murder hasn't lead to the militarization of policeSo what?, the massive encroachment on our basic civil libertiesWhat right? the right to O/D and become a leech of society ,and to ruin people's lives -if you don't have drugs on you then you have nothing to worry about in regards to your civil liberties, overcrowding of prisonsBuild more prisons, they're meant to be filled, wasteful spending of tax dollars to appease a moralist minorityyou think its wasteful because it's your opinion, or the endless cycle of violence perpetuated by the ridiculous profits margins that can be obtained from an untaxed and unregulated market with an unending demand.That's what the Drug war is about, Legalization of crime will not stop the problem, look at the netherlands Prostitution is legal but it is still dominated by gangs/criminals and is the #1 destination for Human trafficking

Most murders are drug related by virtue of being gang related, so it would actually make homicide detectives jobs (and the jobs of all law enforcement) a whole lot easier to just axe this gigantic bloated Sisyphean assault on common sense.
Again I will reiterate that eliminating the goal of a job to make a job easier is not the answer, it's just stupid as the problem is still there.


This is the Just Guns subforum, movie discussion not necessary. And I don't have a "pothead" agenda, I have a freedom and liberty agenda. Banning something because you don't like it is the exact opposite of what being an American is supposed to be about.

No argument there

Completely forgot about this post...

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Completely forgot about this post...

Yes we have a right to destroy ourselves. Our lives are our own and what we do with them is our own business.

And when you say "so what" to things like militarization of police and building more prisons, you are completely ignoring the cost of it all. The increased need for prisons has lead to a massive private prison industry that creates a conflict of interest in which it is profitable for the few people in charge to have as many people incarcerated as possible and at tremendous cost to the taxpayer. The militarization of police has lead to gross misprioritization of law enforcement resources, with SWAT teams being deployed to terrorize citizens over misdemeanor worthy amounts of drugs because they get kickbacks from the federal government. There's a county in northern California that made severe cutbacks to its sheriff's department because of the recession, and now they almost only enforce drug laws because it's the only way they can keep themselves funded.

Additionally, property seizure laws that allow law enforcement agencies to auction assets seized from drug suspects have lead to rampant corruption everywhere. Off the top of my head, a simple example being that in many places, if some jackass steals your car and later get's arrested with drugs, you don't get your car back at all. The police keep it.

And no it's not my opinion that the drug war is wasteful, that is undeniably established fact. Why? Because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. Drugs are not at all harder to obtain, everybody who would be using drugs if they were legal already are, and imprisoning them does nothing at all to curb their behavior. It is literally money down the toilet.

And you're right, legalizing drugs will not make the drug problem go away. Nothing is going to make it go away. Drugs always have and always will be a part of the human experience and nothing can change that. Legislation and imprisonment is not how problems are dealt with. You mentioned the Netherlands? Here's an even more relevant example, Portugal. Portugal legalized all drugs for personal use, and what happened? Enrollment in rehabilitation programs skyrocketed, overdoses plummeted. Holy shit how did that happen?

[S&Wshooter]

I agree with burt about how the prisons are overcrowded. We need to use the death sentence more often and for more offenses

[k9870]

I think you copy and pasted that. And I have bever seen a SWAT team used for misdeameanor offenses, and what you said about seizure law....well, is false, if your car is stolen and used for drugs, you keep it, the state can only seize if owner was the one selling drugs, and only i owner sold drugs in that speicifiv vehicle, thats why drug dealers always have 2 cars....a nice on to show off in, and a crappy one to go out selling in.

Also, was wondering, whats your image of how a police force should be? No SWAT? No power to enforce drug laws?

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by k9870

Also, was wondering, whats your image of how a police force should be? No SWAT? No power to enforce drug laws?

SWAT teams were originally created to deal with hostage situations, so no I wouldn't get rid of them. And there shouldn't be any drug laws to enforce anyway. If police departments operated with the kinds of budgets they have now because of the drug war, but did so without any drug laws to enforce, they could get so much more done. Imagine if they devoted those resources to property crimes or rapes, which are both crimes with very low conviction rates.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

I agree with burt about how the prisons are overcrowded. We need to use the death sentence more often and for more offenses

Yes, just like the glorious People's Republic of China. What a paragon of justice and human rights they are.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Yes, just like the glorious People's Republic of China. What a paragon of justice and human rights they are.

It's a pretty good idea. Acts of terror, murder in which the person is absolutely guilty, multiple rape, and more than two accounts of drug trafficking should be executable offenses. And no waiting 25 years to carry it out, either. You get 10 years and after that you can appeal for a stay of execution for 5 more years ( just in case it is somehow discovered that the person is completely innocent)

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

And when you say "so what" to things like militarization of police and building more prisons, you are completely ignoring the cost of it all.

Money shouldn't be an obstacle to justice


The increased need for prisons has lead to a massive private prison industry that creates a conflict of interest in which it is profitable for the few people in charge to have as many people incarcerated as possible and at tremendous cost to the taxpayer.

Now you just sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist


And no it's not my opinion that the drug war is wasteful, that is undeniably established fact. Why? Because it accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Thats the most thick headed logic I've heard from you so far "because I think I'm correct it's automatic FACT"


And you're right, legalizing drugs will not make the drug problem go away. Nothing is going to make it go away. Drugs always have and always will be a part of the human experience and nothing can change that. Legislation and imprisonment is not how problems are dealt with. You mentioned the Netherlands? Here's an even more relevant example, Portugal. Portugal legalized all drugs for personal use, and what happened? Enrollment in rehabilitation programs skyrocketed, overdoses plummeted. Holy shit how did that happen?

3 things, one how is that relevant to the correlation between crime and legalization which is the only reason I used the Netherlands example ,two Portugal and the USA have completely different cultures and the USA's population is 30 times larger -you can't compare the two, and three Drugs are still effectively illegal in Portugal as people who are caught with drugs are sent to boards to be evaluated for treatment or fines and Drug dealers/traffickers are still dealt with harshly by the law and imprisoned.

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