Gun control laws. Reasonable or stupid?

[Markost]

Originally Posted by predator20

But my most hated restriction. A 3-day waiting period on a handgun. Some states even longer. (3 days in FL) but I can walk out with an AR-15 with no waiting period that will do way more damage than a handgun

3 days? Here you must wait for 5 months or more for a "civilian" weapon (.22lr, you must register it and have the permission to buy the ammo) or "conditional" weapon (semi and single shot shotguns, bolt-action and fixed magazine rifles). And if you want a semiauto rifle with detachable magazine, you must wait at least 2 years to get a civilian Fal, thanks to the post-1995 ban.

First, for use a gun you need your CLU (Legitimate user credential). Then, you can go to the gun shop and buy the gun, but you can´t take it to home. First you need to send the gun´s papers to the RENAR (National register of firearms) and wait for the gun´s credential. That´s... emm... 5 months or more.

Come on guys, your gun laws are one of the most flexible in the world.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by Markost

Come on guys, your gun laws are one of the most flexible in the world.

I wasn't saying comparing US gun laws to other countries, US laws are cake but we're here to discuss if some gun laws are reasonable or just plain stupid, like England and Australia completely banning guns

Waiting periods. I think that's stupid. Maybe a day so that the store can do background checks on the person if the law requires that, but if a law that requires a license to already allowing the person to own a gun, then there's no need for waiting period and certainly should not wait more than a day.

People say that some laws are made because some criminal had set precedences by doing something. So before the restriction on gun barrel lengths, someone was totting a 10in barrel AR-15 around to shoot up a place? Perhaps someone was using a sawed off shotgun and when the restricted barrels on that gun, they say why not all guns?

Then there's loopholes like you can get an AR pistol that doesn't have a stock and it has a very short barrel, but the moment a stock is put on it, it's a rifle again? Then a weapon like the PS90, the civilian FN P90 needing a long 16in barrel sticking out. The weapon by itself is expensive and most crooks wouldn't even save enough money to get more expensive guns like that. They'd be too busy with booze and drugs or trying to feed themselves. Most criminal don't even go the extra mile in getting good guns to commit crime, they just get whatever they can get their hands on.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

So before the restriction on gun barrel lengths, someone was totting a 10in barrel AR-15 around to shoot up a place? Perhaps someone was using a sawed off shotgun and when the restricted barrels on that gun, they say why not all guns?

Basically, yes. Barrel lengths were another provision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which was long before AR-15s existed. Sawed-off shotguns and some rifles had a reputation for being gangster weapons. So they made it mandatory to have a 16" barrel (or 26" over length) for long guns.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Then there's loopholes like you can get an AR pistol that doesn't have a stock and it has a very short barrel, but the moment a stock is put on it, it's a rifle again?

Yes. And technically, it's not illegal to buy a 10" AR upper and get it sent in the mail. But if you own an AR-15 lower with a stock attached, and it goes on the lower, then you've committed a felony. It seems ridiculous, but that's because, again, the NFA was passed before AR-15s existed. In 1934, nobody would have figured that in the future, somebody would invent a rifle that can easily be converted to another version by simply replacing the upper unit and stock.

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Then a weapon like the PS90, the civilian FN P90 needing a long 16in barrel sticking out. The weapon by itself is expensive and most crooks wouldn't even save enough money to get more expensive guns like that. They'd be too busy with booze and drugs or trying to feed themselves. Most criminal don't even go the extra mile in getting good guns to commit crime, they just get whatever they can get their hands on.

What's your point? They can't pass a law that reads, "All long guns must have a 16" barrel, unless it's an expensive gun which costs over $1,000, because criminals can't afford them." They have to just say ALL long guns.

[Excalibur]

I'm just saying, some of the laws as you have pointed out can be kinda stupid. What was that one politician that wanted to ban barrel shrouds but didnt even know what they are?

[S&Wshooter]

I believe that you should be able to own a full auto gun if you haven't commited any felonies and take a one time class

[Mandolin1]

16" minimum barrel lenth for rifles, 18" for shotguns. Anything less is a SBR/SBS (short barreled rifle/shotgun) and needs a tax stamp.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

What was that one politician that wanted to ban barrel shrouds but didnt even know what they are?

I don't remember anyone who didn't know what barrel shrouds are. I do remember that Chuck Schumer didn't know the difference between a "magazine" and a "stock". He once participated in a debate where he said that the AWB imposed a law on "more than 10-bullet stocks".

[Excalibur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U this is the lady that doesn't know what a barrel shroud is.

Oh and I found this vid to be funny to listen to. These are the kind of women that makes men think women don't know anything about guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQN1u_aPgcM&NR=1

Oh and THIS is the funniest attempt at "gun free zone" I have ever seen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI_7a...eature=related

And I just found this about Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2MW...eature=related

[Spartan198]

The laws themselves aren't necessarily stupid, but most of the time the reasoning behind them is. I don't know if this is actually true or not, but I've heard .50 cal rifles were made illegal in California after a criminal shot an LAPD helicopter out of the sky with one in SWAT.

[Excalibur]

The guy must have been skilled