10mm Auto: (Un)fairly ignored?

k9870 · #1 02-17-2010, 01:47 AM

VLTOR got the rights for the bren ten and introduced it at SHOT.

As for the miami shootout, they had defective ammo, the lot was bad and it failed to penetrate or expand as it should have. Tactics also sucked, none of them decided to use their body armor (they had just left it in trunk).

A NY state cop was wounded, fired a 9mm at a suspect, hit him in the arm, and then the suspect killed the cop before another officer downed him. The state police said this was proo 9mm lacked stopping power and switched to 45. Like a .45 in the arm will cut a man in half.

predator20 · #2 02-17-2010, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870

VLTOR got the rights for the bren ten and introduced it at SHOT.

As for the miami shootout, they had defective ammo, the lot was bad and it failed to penetrate or expand as it should have. Tactics also sucked, none of them decided to use their body armor (they had just left it in trunk).

A NY state cop was wounded, fired a 9mm at a suspect, hit him in the arm, and then the suspect killed the cop before another officer downed him. The state police said this was proo 9mm lacked stopping power and switched to 45. Like a .45 in the arm will cut a man in half.

One of the agents, McNeal I think it was put his body armor on. It helped but not much, the armor they had was handgun rated. Platt was firing mostly .223 rounds. About the tactics, 3 agents were "SWAT" trained. Two of them were killed Dove and Grogan, maybe they put themselves in harms way more than the others? Also Platt and Matix were Army Ranger trained, Matix's weapon was far superior than the agents, he had a rifle. A few agents had shotguns but that was it.

Here is a clip from the TV movie they made about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGfKtuo2AM Also Platt (David Soul) is shown using a full auto AC556, he used a semi-auto Mini-14 in the actual shootout.

As far as owning a 10mm handgun, Delta Elite or Bren Ten (because of Miami Vice)

ManiacallyChallenged · #3 02-17-2010, 04:20 AM

According to the wikipedia page, the agents using .357 revolvers had them loaded with .38 overpressure rounds.(this on the subject of the 1986 FBI shootout)

Would having them loaded with .357 have helped? Much?

Excalibur · #4 02-17-2010, 05:52 AM

So what does an overpressured .38 do exactly?

Yournamehere · #5 02-17-2010, 07:33 AM

Overpressured meaning +P ammo. It gives the bullet more velocity and therefore stopping power. Since .38 is kind of a low powered round the +P loads make a difference. Though they don't so much next to a .357 Magnum.....

The probably chose to go .38 +P to reduce recoil and improve accuracy. In order to use a .357 Mag well you need to practice controlling the higher recoil.