Beretta 92FS Inox or 92SB?

[MT2008]

It's a nice-looking gun, YNH. Congrats. But I still like 92FS Inoxes better.

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

I'd rather have American made over anything, with the exception of Belgian guns

You should suspend your jingoism long enough to at least discern quality differences. The problem is that American manufacturers tend to value sales over quality, which means that the production methods are going to cut corners more than their European counterparts. Between a Beretta made in the U.S. or Italy, I'd want Italian. And between a SIG made in Germany and the U.S., I want Germany (and indeed, the P226 I own is of German manufacture).

[S&Wshooter]

And I like the Cougar, but it's not your gun, isn't it?. Also, I prefer American and Belgian guns because I have only found a few guns made elsewhere that I like. I do not care what you like and there is very little you can say to change what I like. Between the two companies you listed as examples, there are only 3 guns that I would even consider buying (Beretta 8045, SIG P239 and that Hammerli pistol that SIG sold for a little while)

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by S&Wshooter

And I like the Cougar, but it's not your gun, isn't it?. Also, I prefer American and Belgian guns because I have only found a few guns made elsewhere that I like. I do not care what you like and there is very little you can say to change what I like. Between the two companies you listed as examples, there are only 3 guns that I would even consider buying (Beretta 8045, SIG P239 and that Hammerli pistol that SIG sold for a little while)

Coincidentally, I just held one of the newer-model P239s, and I can say that compared to the old ones, the slide is much more cheaply constructed.

Anyway, do you like American guns better because you're a jingoist, or because the quality is actually better?

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Anyway, do you like American guns better because you're a jingoist, or because the quality is actually better?

It's just personal preference. Also, I have had a few bad experiences with foreign guns

[S&Wshooter]

For example, I got a (Japanese) Browning Micro A-Bolt 3 years ago and the little clip that attaches to the mag so you can open the floorplate w/o the mag falling out is already worn out. When I want to place the magazine inside the gun, I have to slam that little plate shut in a hurry and afterwards, the magazine shakes around when I move the gun. I've had a handgun made in the Philippines bruise my hand after running only 2 mags through it. I have a Walther that jams 4 times every mag, no matter what I do. Once, I had a little Soviet training .22 fail to extract spent rounds 20 times in a row

[Yournamehere]

A gun's fault has nothing to do with it's country of origin. A stamp on the slide has nothing to do with build quality. It all depends on the materials that go into it. Since acquiring this Beretta I've done some research, and I've found that most, if not all, of the failed 92Fs that broke during military testing were American (or in some cases French) made guns. Like MT2008 said, America would rather sell a lot of okay guns than make a lot of good ones (especially in the military's case, lowest bidder and whatnot). The Italian guns, old or not, are generally of better build quality and will last for tens of thousands of rounds, whereas the early American guns were more likely to fail or require replacement parts, the reason they modified from the SB to the F, and then again to the FS. Lucky for me mine is Italian made, and while that doesn't certify that it will work flawlessly (or blow up in my face because it is Italian and I am American), it makes me feel better about the gun knowing it was made with quality parts.

Furthermore it's one thing to like or hate something because it's a good or bad product, and another to like or hate it because of where it comes from. I've seen a S&W revolver jam, yes a REVOLVER jam up, rendering it a blunt object, but that doesn't mean I don't trust S&W revolvers, or my 19-5. Something just went wrong in a freak accident. Nothing is perfect, some guns are just great, some alright, some just plain shit, but the country they come from doesn't affect that at all. Quit being a nationalist already.

[S&Wshooter]

You do realize that my next 3 guns are going to be from Belgian, Czech and Russian, right? My preference for American guns isn't because I hate anything non-American, it's just what I personally like