Full auto conversion.

Gunmaster45 · #1 03-12-2009, 03:23 AM

My dad can do stuff like that. He once converted a state troopers AR-15 A2 and MAC-10/9 to full auto back when cops took advantage of that luxiory, since most cops had to fight the pissed of Native Americans in the 80s, as my dad claims. Unfortunately the guy came back and had them turned into semi autos again, and I only got to shoot them after the switch back.

I got to shoot a VERY fun Ruger 10/22 once, with one of those open bolt conversions. Spit out a LOT of ammo quickly. I'm going to delete this soon because god knows who could read this and interpret bad things.

Rockwolf66 · #2 03-12-2009, 03:55 AM

Sort of like there is a reason as to why I want a G-3KA4 with M-203 mounted on it.

Yes I have handled an M-203 and a G-3( just not a KA4 varient but a relatives unit issues them.)

MoviePropMaster2008 · #3 03-12-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45

My dad can do stuff like that. He once converted a state troopers AR-15 A2 and MAC-10/9 to full auto back when cops took advantage of that luxiory, since most cops had to fight the pissed of Native Americans in the 80s, as my dad claims. Unfortunately the guy came back and had them turned into semi autos again, and I only got to shoot them after the switch back.

How is that possible? The ATF doesn't allow full auto guns to be turned back into legal civilian semi autos. They have that stupid mantra :"Once a machine gun... always a machine gun". And they have never backed off of this policy. Also one has to get the federal tax stamp when converting a gun to full auto, even for a police department. If it's before 1986, that was a helluva lot easier than it is today ....

Did you know that ATF changed their rules AGAIN and only allow ONE (!!) post 86 sample of each gun per license? So unless its a pre 1986 transferable, you can only get ONE m16, ONE mp5, ONE G3 .... You can't even get a spare .... Now the only way to get more than one is to (a) already have the multiple guns grandfathered in or (b) get a Manufacturing license and make them under the auspices of a post 86 sample maker.

Phoenixent · #4 03-12-2009, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

How is that possible? The ATF doesn't allow full auto guns to be turned back into legal civilian semi autos. They have that stupid mantra :"Once a machine gun... always a machine gun". And they have never backed off of this policy. Also one has to get the federal tax stamp when converting a gun to full auto, even for a police department. If it's before 1986, that was a helluva lot easier than it is today ....

It's kind of a loaded question on this. ATF does stat that once a machine gun always a machine gun. But if it's a registered part like a AR drop in sear or a M2 Kit than those are the machine gun and not the weapon they are put into. It's the way they registered the item as the machine gun.

Also semi to full to semi can be done on some systems without permanent mods making it possible to go back and forth. Defiantly not legal as per NFA but people do it all the time.

Gunmaster45 · #5 03-12-2009, 07:01 PM

How legal the full auto conversion was to begin with was questionable.

Yournamehere · #6 03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

I don't think this needs to be deleted, but you guys are the admins. Thanks for your input. I ask because it's sort of a dream of mine to get a fully automatic M16A1, or a half decent AK clone (Russian ones are virtually nonexistant, and I'll buy a baseball bat before a Chinese variant). I know how much a full auto M16 costs roughly, and I was just trying to figure out if it was cheaper to get an AR-15 and convert it rather than buying a full auto rifle from the start. Feel free to continue discussing, but my question is pretty much answered.

MT2008 · #7 03-12-2009, 08:26 PM

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(Russian ones are virtually nonexistant, and I'll buy a baseball bat before a Chinese variant).

Actually, the pre-1989 Chinese Norinco and Poly Tech AKs were way superior to just about any other semi-auto AK available in the U.S., especially the crap that's available today. The MAK-90s were of lesser quality (mostly because they were partially assembled in the U.S.), but even they were still better than most of the Romanian SARs and other such shit clones.

Trust me (as somebody who actually owns a Poly Tech AK) - Chinese pre-ban AKs were some of the very best you could buy in the States. The Chinese stereotype about "cheap, mass-produced, low-quality" doesn't apply to their AKs.

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I know how much a full auto M16 costs roughly, and I was just trying to figure out if it was cheaper to get an AR-15 and convert it rather than buying a full auto rifle from the start.

It would be cheaper if you did the conversion work yourself. But if you can pay for the sear (which costs $10,000 and up), then you're already going to be taking out a second mortgage anyway, so why not just buy the whole deal?

Yournamehere · #8 03-12-2009, 08:34 PM

I figured the Poly Techs were quality, I just don't want the sight hood, and the fact that I own a Chinese gun. Some gunners think China is the biggest threat on the face of the planet and will hate you for buying "Chinese junk". I'm also not gonna pay near or over 1000 dollars for an AK, they are supposed to be cheap. If I put down cash like that I'll probably buy an M16 variant.

How much would it cost to do it myself within the confines of the law, or how much would it cost to have someone take care of it for me, within the confines of the law, and which would be better overall?