Question About U.S. Military Arms

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere

Technically no, it's not the 4th rifle, but it is the 4th carbine. During WWII We had the M1 Garand and The M1 Carbine, both were M1s but one was a battle rifle , and the other a carbine, so there was and is s separation between the two.

If you think about it even further, we had the M1 Carbine, the M2, and the M3, the latter two being more or less failures, which is why we just went to the M16 and kept it that way until the shortened versions got up to speed (XM177 and so forth) leading to the M4 Carbine. Of course, that's just my conjecture based on what Excalibur has said and my own knowledge.

I don't think that explains it either. When it comes to rifles, there hasn't been an "M15" between the M14 and M16. For that matter, there haven't been any rifles that received the designation "M2" through "M13". The M16 was only the 2nd rifle we adopted after the M1 Garand.

Long story short, I'm really not sure how they do it. But believe it or not, things aren't as organized and systematic in the DoD as you might think, even when it comes to weapons procurement. The Colt Model 777 and Model 920, for instance, were both adopted as the "M4 Carbine" even though the 777 has an M16A2-style receiver, while the 920 has a flat-top receiver. They literally bought two different Colt carbines but gave them the exact same designation. So I'm really not sure there's a consistent method.

Of course, before WWII, it used to be done by date. Like Colt M1911 and Springfield M1903, for instance.

[k9870]

Im wondering where the pistol designations come from.
There was m1911...a pistol made in 1911.

Then you have m9 and m11, where did 1-8 go, whats the m10?

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by k9870

Then you have m9 and m11, where did 1-8 go, whats the m10?

I don't know about 1-8, but the M10 is a variant of the M9 with a reinforced slide that's supposed to prevent failures much like the one encountered by the SEALs (if I recall correctly, the rear portion of the slide broke off in mid-cycle and was flung back in a shooter's face) that caused them to switch to the SIG 226/Mark 24 Mod 0.

And just for informational purposes, there's also an M16A1 anti-tank mine, a Mark 14 Mod 0 grenade launcher (a "Special Ops" version of the Milkor M32), and a shorty variant of the M1911 pistol called the M15, so obviously a single designation isn't necessarily unique to a particular item.

[Mandolin1]

From Wikipedia:
M1 is: a tank, a bayonet, a carbine, a chemical mine, a light tank, a rifle, a mortar, millitary designation of Thompson SMG, an underwater pistol, a 120mm AA gun, and a shotgun (M1 Super 90)

M2 is: amunition, an AFV, a carbine, a machine gun, an armoured car, a half-track, a howitzer, two kinds of tank, a mine and a flamethrower.

M3 is: an SMG,a carbine, an anti-tank gun, a fighting knife, a howitzer, and a shotgun. (M3 Super 90), and 6 kinds of AFV/tank.

M4 is: a carbine a tank, an AT gun and some other stuff.

M16 is the rifle, a mine and a varient of the M3 half-track with a quad .50cal MG turret for AA

And so on. M1 must mean the first modol, since most of the M1 and M2 suff was US WW2-era equipment. So you could drive an M1 tank, with the crew all having an M1 rifle, carbine, shotgun, and SMG, all with differant ammo. Then an M1 AA guns takes you out, so you dig in for the night and use M1 mines to protect your position before crossing a river armed with an M1 underwater pistol. Confused yet? Shall I go on the M2 and M3?

[Excalibur]

Don't forget about the Benelli M4, and the Spectre M4.

[Nyles]

Ah, but the Spectre M4 and Benelli M4 are commercial designations. The Benelli is the M1014 in US service, and the Spectre is not a US service weapon. Neither is the Benelli M1 - in fact, there was never an M1 shotgun. Until the Benelli, shotguns in US service were just known by their commercial names.

[Spartan198]

I believe the military added the "M" at the beginning, though. Every time I've seen or heard the Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 mentioned, they're only referred to as "M870" or "M590" when referring to US military use.

I could be wrong, though.

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by MT2008

When it comes to rifles, there hasn't been an "M15" between the M14 and M16.

The M15 was a heavy-barreled version of the M14 intended for use as a light support weapon.



But like you said, the system isn't as organized as many tend to think. Going straight from "M4" to "M8" with the XM8, for example.

[Excalibur]

Actually I also heard on a history channel about the M16 was that the price of an M16 is about 1600 at the time of adoption or something like that.