imfdb.org  

Go Back   imfdb.org > The Forum > Guns & Movies

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-19-2019, 03:48 AM
Excalibur's Avatar
Excalibur Excalibur is offline
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 3,842
Send a message via AIM to Excalibur Send a message via MSN to Excalibur Send a message via Yahoo to Excalibur
Default Guns with braces in movies

Is it me, or am I seeing a trend of movies and shows having guns with braces instead of them being stocks? I mean, prop guys can't be having trouble securing SBRs for movies, so why am I seeing arm braces in guns? I just saw Gemini Man and Will Smith has a Galil Ace with a brace on it...it bothers me
__________________

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring...I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle
Psalm 144:1

“It is always wrong to use force, unless it is more wrong not to.”
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-22-2019, 12:27 AM
Spartan198's Avatar
Spartan198 Spartan198 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The scorched state of California
Posts: 2,305
Default

Does he use it as a brace or as a stock?
__________________
"Everything is impossible until somebody does it - Batman

RIP Kevin Conroy, the one true Batman
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-22-2019, 04:32 PM
Jcordell Jcordell is offline
Formerly "Checkman"
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,034
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Excalibur View Post
Is it me, or am I seeing a trend of movies and shows having guns with braces instead of them being stocks? I mean, prop guys can't be having trouble securing SBRs for movies, so why am I seeing arm braces in guns? I just saw Gemini Man and Will Smith has a Galil Ace with a brace on it...it bothers me

Can you post a photo? I'm not sure of what you're describing.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-22-2019, 11:11 PM
funkychinaman's Avatar
funkychinaman funkychinaman is offline
IMFDB & Forum Admin
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Bucks County, PA
Posts: 2,622
Default

Does anyone use a brace as a brace? Like ever?
__________________
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-23-2019, 12:52 AM
Excalibur's Avatar
Excalibur Excalibur is offline
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 3,842
Send a message via AIM to Excalibur Send a message via MSN to Excalibur Send a message via Yahoo to Excalibur
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan198 View Post
Does he use it as a brace or as a stock?
It doesn't matter. It's not a stock. It's jarring since I've seen Hawaii Five-0 do this and in John Wick 3 as well. Do these companies not have stocks for their guns or are they just being lazy?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcordell View Post
Can you post a photo? I'm not sure of what you're describing.
Here's a clip of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDrkOsyX-JA

It's a Galil Ace that takes AK mags, but it's the "pistol" variant, not the SBR because it has a brace attached. Or it can be the SBR variant but they were too lazy to change the brace out for the proper stock

Quote:
Originally Posted by funkychinaman View Post
Does anyone use a brace as a brace? Like ever?
I'm not going to admit anything other than I use my guns with braces to their full legal intended purposes
__________________

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring...I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle
Psalm 144:1

“It is always wrong to use force, unless it is more wrong not to.”

Last edited by Excalibur; 10-23-2019 at 12:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-23-2019, 01:33 AM
Spartan198's Avatar
Spartan198 Spartan198 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The scorched state of California
Posts: 2,305
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Excalibur View Post
I'm not going to admit anything other than I use my guns with braces to their full legal intended purposes


As for Smith's Galil, he's using it as if it were a stock, so I'm guessing that's what it's passing for. As to why, I haven't the slightest. Maybe the braces are easier or cheaper to get? I haven't really looked into the price difference, TBH.
__________________
"Everything is impossible until somebody does it - Batman

RIP Kevin Conroy, the one true Batman
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-23-2019, 04:36 AM
Excalibur's Avatar
Excalibur Excalibur is offline
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 3,842
Send a message via AIM to Excalibur Send a message via MSN to Excalibur Send a message via Yahoo to Excalibur
Default

You really think when the prop guys bought this gun, they didn't think to buy it with an actual stock?
__________________

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring...I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle
Psalm 144:1

“It is always wrong to use force, unless it is more wrong not to.”
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-24-2019, 03:55 PM
commando552 commando552 is offline
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: England
Posts: 547
Default

A few reasons spring to mind why they might have used it. Firstly, the braced guns are far more common than the SBRs. Although they are listed on the manufacturers site as being available in an SBR configuration, I imagine that in stores the vast majority are braced pistols as the demand for these is overwhelmingly higher. Maybe that was the only version that was available on short notice. Not sure I buy this though as you have to do a fair bit of gun-smithing to get it to fire blanks so I assume you could just swap the stock over whilst doing this if you wanted an SBR type.

A second potential reason is that it is part of a product placement deal. The braced pistol version is the version that people will actually buy rather than the SBR, so maybe IWI paid for that version to be used.

Normally SBRs and machine guns are not a legal problem for prop houses as I believe that they tend to be Type 7 FFL holders meaning that they can essentially manufacture anything excluding DDs. However, I think the scene in question was filmed on location in Columbia so that is a completely different story. Maybe they had to use the only version that was available locally or something.

Honestly, to the wider world it is a total non issue anyway. The vast majority of people would not even notice that this is a braced rather than a "real" stock.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-27-2019, 02:25 PM
Jcordell Jcordell is offline
Formerly "Checkman"
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,034
Default

Until this thread I hadn't even thought about it. Maybe folks in the movie industry just think the braces look cool? It reminds me of when the movie industry in the sixties and early seventies suddenly "discovered" the Mauser C/96 'Broomhandle' pistol. Mausers appeared in everything from spy stories to crime-dramas and westerns. They were everywhere and then ,just as quickly, faded away. Anyway that's my take.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-28-2019, 01:45 AM
Excalibur's Avatar
Excalibur Excalibur is offline
IMFDB Admin
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 3,842
Send a message via AIM to Excalibur Send a message via MSN to Excalibur Send a message via Yahoo to Excalibur
Default

Well, not sure I buy that a company paid to have a gun part designed by the civilian market for a particular film instead of just the base gun in general. I think since this is still a relatively new gun, having a base model of it shipped to Columbia for filming shouldn't be too hard considering other weapons used. Maybe it has something to do with gun laws in Columbia, but it doesn't make sense in John Wick 3 or Hawaii Five-0
__________________

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring...I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle
Psalm 144:1

“It is always wrong to use force, unless it is more wrong not to.”
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.