Heckler & Koch - overrated?

[k9870]

HK has U.S. factories they can make them in, all evil and assultish or whatever the libs banned from inport, but no, civilians don't deserve a quality weapon.....

[jdun]

HK started a factory early this year in the States. Prior to that they never had one. However, all rifles the factory makes for civilians will be gimped. That's the HK way.

[k9870]

If they even offer them. But then again if you want a g3 why not go with the excellent PTR-91, PTR-91 corp is also supposed to have great customer service.

[Excalibur]

Any HK product for the civilian market is just too expensive.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Any HK product for the civilian market is just too expensive.

Actually, their LEO/military products tend to be too expensive as well.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by k9870

If they even offer them. But then again if you want a g3 why not go with the excellent PTR-91, PTR-91 corp is also supposed to have great customer service.

Maybe, but the PTR-91 has issues of its own. The build quality is definitely not as good as H&K's, at least not on the one I fired (I have no idea what improvements they've made since).

Personally, I'm a bit skeptical of American clone AW makers. Their AK, H&K, Uzi, etc. knockoffs are often hit-or-miss.

[k9870]

PTR 91s are actually made on HK equipment and can share many parts. Some say it is actually superior to HK. Only complaints i've heard are the trigger can be heavy and it launches brass far enough to be lethal in 2 directions.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by k9870

PTR 91s are actually made on HK equipment and can share many parts. Some say it is actually superior to HK. Only complaints i've heard are the trigger can be heavy and it launches brass far enough to be lethal in 2 directions.

The one I handled had a lot of creep in the mag release, even with H&K-made mags. The welding is also noticeably poorer. The fit and finish doesn't feel quite as good as the HK91s I've handled. Not sure who thinks it's better than H&K.

But then, they may have made improvements, just as Taurus has done with many of their clones. But I still find the idea of U.S. gun makers building foreign-designed weapons suspect. Even if the tooling is the same, it's usually hard to top the years of experience that the original manufacturer has in perfecting the overall build quality.

[k9870]

Cabelas has a used HK91 at well over 4,000, while another local store has a ptr for 895. Better value?

And USPs are far inferior to my preffered sig.