"Hanna" story discussion continuation

[BlackIce_GTS]

Here's the talk page, to get everyone caught up on the discussion.

You mentioned her targets would be armoured, so maybe an FN Five-seveN and P90? High capacity, armour piercing, and manageable recoil.
7.62x25 Tokarev is supposed to be a good penetrator as well. CZ52 and... PP-19 Bizon? Not as 'modern' as the FNs.
As for the sniper rifle, yes it's light and concealable, but only a single shot? There has to be some take down bolt action that's nearly as light. I can't think of any (that aren't .22s) though...

[2wingo]

Originally Posted by BlackIce_GTS

Here's the talk page, to get everyone caught up on the discussion.

You mentioned her targets would be armoured, so maybe an FN Five-seveN and P90? High capacity, armour piercing, and manageable recoil.
7.62x25 Tokarev is supposed to be a good penetrator as well. CZ52 and... PP-19 Bizon? Not as 'modern' as the FNs.
As for the sniper rifle, yes it's light and concealable, but only a single shot? There has to be some take down bolt action that's nearly as light. I can't think of any (that aren't .22s) though...

The FN Five-seveN is a good idea to use in place of the Walther, but the 9mm Parabellum is still the worldwide standard, and thus easy to get, so I think I'll keep the Glocks as her primary sidearms. Also, the Tokarev can't match the 9mm's stopping power.

The Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS might be better. It's light, reliable under harsh conditions, and could easily be carried away with a collapsable bipod and carry sling.

Side note: I was orginally planning for this story to be a crossover with "Kick-Ass," but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted it to be about Hanna alone.

[SPEMack618]

Couple of quick questions...

Why have sub-compact 9mm guns as primary and then a bigger gun in .40 S&W for a back up?

Not to be a Glock fan boy, but maybe Glock 19s primary and the 26s as back up pieces?

[2wingo]

Originally Posted by SPEMack618

Couple of quick questions...

Why have sub-compact 9mm guns as primary and then a bigger gun in .40 S&W for a back up?

Not to be a Glock fan boy, but maybe Glock 19s primary and the 26s as back up pieces?

I just figured that you'd only draw your backup gun when your primaries failed to do the job, and you'd want something a little more powerful in that situation.

I originally thought that the Glock 19 was too big and would look awkward in her hands, but I've taken some measurements and realized that, assuming everything is in proportion, I was wrong.

Using Glock 19s instead of 26s is good, but I don't want her primary and backup piece to come from the same manufacturer. It would just bug the hell out of me, don't know why. I think I'll give her the FN Five-seveN as her backup gun.

[commando552]

In real life, the back up gun would generally be the same caliber or smaller than your primary. It would also not be a full size pistol like the Five-seveN. The reason for this is that it is your secondary, so carrying something that is relatively large and heavy will be a wast most of the time (particularly as she is already carrying two other pistols). A backup should also be concealable so that it will not be visible if your primary pistols are taken. It is generally a good idea for the backup to share ammunition with your primary so that you can interchange between the two. If you are going for a 9x19mm primary, the obvious choice would be a Glock 26, but if you don't like this how about something like a Kel-Tec PF-9 or Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact.

If you wan't something that you can draw and absolutely kill the one guy that is in front of you, you could think of a Bond Arms derringer with one of the bigger chamberings like .357 Mag, or .410 shotshell/.45 Long Colt.

As for the sniper, how about the DRD Tactical Paratus? It is fully takedown and goes in a 16"x10" briefcase, is semi auto from a 20 round magazine and uses commonly available .308 ammunition.

[2wingo]

Originally Posted by commando552

In real life, the back up gun would generally be the same caliber or smaller than your primary. It would also not be a full size pistol like the Five-seveN. The reason for this is that it is your secondary, so carrying something that is relatively large and heavy will be a wast most of the time (particularly as she is already carrying two other pistols). A backup should also be concealable so that it will not be visible if your primary pistols are taken. It is generally a good idea for the backup to share ammunition with your primary so that you can interchange between the two. If you are going for a 9x19mm primary, the obvious choice would be a Glock 26, but if you don't like this how about something like a Kel-Tec PF-9 or Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact.

If you wan't something that you can draw and absolutely kill the one guy that is in front of you, you could think of a Bond Arms derringer with one of the bigger chamberings like .357 Mag, or .410 shotshell/.45 Long Colt.

As for the sniper, how about the DRD Tactical Paratus? It is fully takedown and goes in a 16"x10" briefcase, is semi auto from a 20 round magazine and uses commonly available .308 ammunition.

I've heard good things about the Px4, so I think I'll go with that one. The .357 Magnum derringer sounds good, too.

Wow, a more perfect sniper rifle for Hanna's needs really could not exist (at least not until they figure out a way to make the .408 CheyTac M-200 Intervention fit into a briefcase).

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by 2wingo

Side note: I was orginally planning for this story to be a crossover with "Kick-Ass," but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted it to be about Hanna alone.

Probably for the best. I enjoy both movies and all, but can't conceivably see Hanna and Kick-Ass existing in the same universe as a serious setting.

[Mandolin]

The Vanquish should work, but I'm not sure she needs long-range firepower. She's great in close quarters, but I doubt she has any long-range skill. Also, she should still have Marissa's Walther PP (.32 ACP) with suppressor and shoulder holster. I'd get her a Luger P08 as well, she had one in Finland and is might be nice to have one now. Same with a bow, she knows how to use one and going Robin Hood on bad guys is cool.

Slightly off-topic, but does she have friends in the fanfic? Aside from the bonus of having a second person to watch your back, she's still a naive teen with very little idea how the world works. She could seriously use a big-sister sidekick. I'd give her 2 buddies. Ass-kicking big sister type to cover her six in combat (two is always better than one) and teach her how the world-and, more importantly, boys- work. And a slightly nerdish type (male or female) to act as driver (fast getaways are nice) and be the adult of the group.

That said, they should try to follow the law. Try to avoid full-auto, and put all the suppressors and any SBR/SBS in an NFA trust. AR pistols could work as a substitute for assault rifles sometimes.

Yes, I just gave her 3 more guns, a bow, and 2 more people to give guns. But by herself, she can't do too much and remember, she can't even get a hotel room, too young.

[2wingo]

Originally Posted by Mandolin

The Vanquish should work, but I'm not sure she needs long-range firepower. She's great in close quarters, but I doubt she has any long-range skill. Also, she should still have Marissa's Walther PP (.32 ACP) with suppressor and shoulder holster. I'd get her a Luger P08 as well, she had one in Finland and is might be nice to have one now. Same with a bow, she knows how to use one and going Robin Hood on bad guys is cool.

Actually, I think with practice, a long-ranged attacked wouldn't be too hard for her. Real-life sniping is, after all, largely a matter of having a complex understanding of physics, geometry, and all the little variables in you own equipment. Given the sort of education she had while she and Eric were sequestered in the forest, I wouldn't put it past him to have made sure she was educated in those things. But the more I think about it, maybe giving her a compound bow would be a better choice than a sniper rifle. Maybe a custom-made one with a scope and laser rangefinder.

I was planning to have her trade Marissa's Walther PP (it was the .380 version, by the way) along with the cash needed to obtain her new weapons from a black market arms dealer (I seriously doubt she'd want to keep it). She would still keep her father's Beretta and Luger, but keep them in her home as momentos rather than use them.

Originally Posted by Mandolin

Slightly off-topic, but does she have friends in the fanfic? Aside from the bonus of having a second person to watch your back, she's still a naive teen with very little idea how the world works. She could seriously use a big-sister sidekick. I'd give her 2 buddies. Ass-kicking big sister type to cover her six in combat (two is always better than one) and teach her how the world-and, more importantly, boys- work. And a slightly nerdish type (male or female) to act as driver (fast getaways are nice) and be the adult of the group.

Since I scrapped the idea of making this a crossover with "Kick-Ass," I was planning to have her still be rather hesitant to get close to people, although she is still in contact with that family she met in the film. She has a job working as a delivery girl at a restaurant in Queens. She has a small apartment a block or so away. This takes place a year after the movie, making her 17 and thus a legal adult in New York. In that time, she's learned how to ride a motorcycle, gotten a GED, committed to memory various maps of NYC, and learned how to convert semi-automatic firearms to full-auto.

Originally Posted by Mandolin

That said, they should try to follow the law. Try to avoid full-auto, and put all the suppressors and any SBR/SBS in an NFA trust. AR pistols could work as a substitute for assault rifles sometimes.

Yes, I just gave her 3 more guns, a bow, and 2 more people to give guns. But by herself, she can't do too much and remember, she can't even get a hotel room, too young.

SBR, SBS, NFA Trust, I don't know what ANY of those things are.

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by 2wingo

SBR, SBS, NFA Trust, I don't know what ANY of those things are.

SBR = Short Barreled Rifle. Another name for subcompacts like the Mk 18 Mod 0 and G36C.

SBS = Short Barreled Shotgun.

NFA Trust = http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/nfa_trust