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Old 10-14-2009, 06:21 PM
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According to the movie, a single shot from an SKS can bring down a Huey if shot in the right place.
Probably, if it only has one pilot and you put that round through his head.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:31 PM
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The ARVN was, as MT2008 pointed out, largley inept and incompetent. However, their marines, airborne, and some other units made the US Army look bad. They could operate efectivly in the jungle, kept their weapons clean, and overal were very good. Try reading Norman Schwarzkopf's autobiography, or Battle Ready by Tom Clancy and Gen. Tony Zinni. The VC/ NVA perspective would be alternating between running from B-52 raids, hiding in tunnels systems, and sapper attacks. What would be realy interesting, though, would be a movie from the perspective of South Korean Marines. They made almost all US units look bad. They were a bunch of little karate masters running around the jungles with M16s, to the detriment of any bad guys in the area.
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Old 10-15-2009, 05:01 AM
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I actually like the rape scene. The only problem i have with it is adagio for springs and Kevin Dillon's silly ass accent.

I like that Oliver Stone wanted to show that the platoon was from all over the United States. The problem is, the actors in the movie can't use realistic accents to save their lives. They are all very silly and ridiculous. A good example is the village scene. Every time Ace or Berenger or anyone else with an Silly accent opens their mouths i laugh like an idiot. It ruins the scene for me. You either have good realistic accents or no accents at all.

There is also all the silly lines. The "Barnes been shot seven times! He ain't dead! That mean anything to you, uh?" and the "Barnes ain't mean't to die. The only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes!" that line is so cheesy and silly i can't believe Stone liked it.

There is also all the uniform fuck ups. But that's for another thread.

Kevin Dillon is no great actor, he is great as Drama in Entourage though. I can actually tolerate his accent compared to some of the other butchered southern accents seen in films.

I didn't hear much of an accent coming from Berenger. Funny you mention Ace. Dale Dye says in the commentary that Ace liked to muscle his way into scenes. He laughed his ass off, when Ace tripped over the fence.

While the shot seven times line is silly. The silliest one I can think of "You don't tell me how to run my war Elias!" The real Barnes was shot in the head and survived. He recovered in Japan for 7 months and still went back out there. Stone said he was wounded six or seven times also. But I get what you mean about part of the line being silly "The only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes!"
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Kevin Dillon is no great actor, he is great as Drama in Entourage though. I can actually tolerate his accent compared to some of the other butchered southern accents seen in films.

I didn't hear much of an accent coming from Berenger. Funny you mention Ace. Dale Dye says in the commentary that Ace liked to muscle his way into scenes. He laughed his ass off, when Ace tripped over the fence.

While the shot seven times line is silly. The silliest one I can think of "You don't tell me how to run my war Elias!" The real Barnes was shot in the head and survived. He recovered in Japan for 7 months and still went back out there. Stone said he was wounded six or seven times also. But I get what you mean about part of the line being silly "The only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes!"
I can't believe i didn't hear that "my war" line. That is just ridiculous.

I gotta get those two commentary tracks. They sound pretty cool. And Ace is more awesome the more i know about him. He is just such a simple kid. I love how after he says "Goddamm right he does!" to Barnes when they are interrogating the village elder, Ace looks like he regretted saying that. And what does Dale means about Ace like to muscle his way into scenes? Did he just liked to walk in scenes with no reason? Also, what does he says to Barnes before Barnes goes all anti-social on him and pushes him over the fence?

I really need to get those two Commentary tracks. It looks like Stone got an completely insane experience in Vietnam.

Also about the ARVN soldiers. An movie about ARVN draftees trying to defect could be a good comedy.
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:18 PM
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I can't believe i didn't hear that "my war" line. That is just ridiculous.

I gotta get those two commentary tracks. They sound pretty cool. And Ace is more awesome the more i know about him. He is just such a simple kid. I love how after he says "Goddamm right he does!" to Barnes when they are interrogating the village elder, Ace looks like he regretted saying that. And what does Dale means about Ace like to muscle his way into scenes? Did he just liked to walk in scenes with no reason? Also, what does he says to Barnes before Barnes goes all anti-social on him and pushes him over the fence?

I really need to get those two Commentary tracks. It looks like Stone got an completely insane experience in Vietnam.

Also about the ARVN soldiers. An movie about ARVN draftees trying to defect could be a good comedy.
Most likely Ace wasn't suppose to say anything. Ace says Sergeant before he fell. Barnes didn't push him, he was walking behind him and tripped by accident. They left it in the film. Just like when Lt. Wolfe gave the wrong coordinates and Barnes is tearing his ass up, Wolfe puts his helmet on backwards.

The commentaries make it worth buying again. Both of them are very informative. Even Stone says it melodramatic at times.

A lot of the experience Sheen goes through, Stone went through.
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:04 PM
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Most likely Ace wasn't suppose to say anything. Ace says Sergeant before he fell. Barnes didn't push him, he was walking behind him and tripped by accident. They left it in the film. Just like when Lt. Wolfe gave the wrong coordinates and Barnes is tearing his ass up, Wolfe puts his helmet on backwards.

The commentaries make it worth buying again. Both of them are very informative. Even Stone says it melodramatic at times.

A lot of the experience Sheen goes through, Stone went through.
So in other words, Ace waltz right into scenes where he isn't supposed to appear and instead of keeping his mouth shut he appears in front of the camera and says a bunch of ad-libed bullshit? That's beautiful.

It seems to me the Lieuty stays with his M1 backwards through the entire scene in the church. You can see how his helmet is still backwards in the scene where Barnes is tells him to "haul ass too".

I really like the scenes where they deal with the dead bodies and wounded in the church ambush. You never really see soldiers or marines in movies dealing with the dead bodies and all that.

I also like the Grunt's names. Stone choosed some very unusual names for them. Moorehouse and Fu sheng for example.

I hate how after the Village scene every one has a Flak Jacket. I can understand the platoon leader and the platoon sergeants having flak jackets, but even the privates and specialists have flak jackets.
Does Oliver Stone or Dye say anything about the bandanas? I've never seen any regular army soldiers wearing bandanas in Vietnam. Only Green Berets, SEALs and Force Recon. The only regular i have seen with an Bandana is the black guy in Stone's picture in the trailer.

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What is with the bandana's anyway? Is it supposed to mean you're bad ass or something? I see it a lot in movies and TV
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So in other words, Ace waltz right into scenes where he isn't supposed to appear and instead of keeping his mouth shut he appears in front of the camera and says a bunch of ad-libed bullshit? That's beautiful.

It seems to me the Lieuty stays with his M1 backwards through the entire scene in the church. You can see how his helmet is still backwards in the scene where Barnes is tells him to "haul ass too".

I really like the scenes where they deal with the dead bodies and wounded in the church ambush. You never really see soldiers or marines in movies dealing with the dead bodies and all that.

I also like the Grunt's names. Stone choosed some very unusual names for them. Moorehouse and Fu sheng for example.

I hate how after the Village scene every one has a Flak Jacket. I can understand the platoon leader and the platoon sergeants having flak jackets, but even the privates and specialists have flak jackets.
Does Oliver Stone or Dye say anything about the bandanas? I've never seen any regular army soldiers wearing bandanas in Vietnam. Only Green Berets, SEALs and Force Recon. The only regular i have seen with an Bandana is the black guy in Stone's picture in the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPi8EQzJ2Bg
In the beginning of film, when Sheen gets off the plane. The person in the body bag being carried off is Dale Dye. Dye said he didn't want to make it easy for the actors so they had to carry full gear and all that. Because if their pack was light, it would show. The packs were lightened up some, because some shit was worthless in the field.

They didn't say anything about the bandannas, I don't think. The bandanna deal may have been the actors own thing. Like the writing on their helmets. Like Sheen's says "When I die, bury me upside down so the world can kiss my ass". Lt. Wolfe "What me worry." it's from a cartoon I can't remember the name.

The names probably might have been their real names. He may have had to combine some people though.

Also while it would be an unnecessary screencap for the Platoon page. There should be one of Dale Dye "Capt. Harris" with his holstered 1911A1, since he was an actual Vietnam vet. Like Stone was, but that's just me.
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What is with the bandana's anyway? Is it supposed to mean you're bad ass or something? I see it a lot in movies and TV
I have no idea. US Special forces wore them in the Nam. I think they just liked them. I think regular forces never wore them though. The special Forces wore them because they didn't get issued helmets. A very small number of SOCOM forces still wear them. Under their helmets though.
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In the beginning of film, when Sheen gets off the plane. The person in the body bag being carried off is Dale Dye. Dye said he didn't want to make it easy for the actors so they had to carry full gear and all that. Because if their pack was light, it would show. The packs were lightened up some, because some shit was worthless in the field.

They didn't say anything about the bandannas, I don't think. The bandanna deal may have been the actors own thing. Like the writing on their helmets. Like Sheen's says "When I die, bury me upside down so the world can kiss my ass". Lt. Wolfe "What me worry." it's from a cartoon I can't remember the name.

The names probably might have been their real names. He may have had to combine some people though.

Also while it would be an unnecessary screencap for the Platoon page. There should be one of Dale Dye "Capt. Harris" with his holstered 1911A1, since he was an actual Vietnam vet. Like Stone was, but that's just me.
That "What me worry" thing is from Mad Magazine.
Look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman

Check the cultural impact section. They reference Platoon in the last paragraph. I seen a few soldiers in vietnam with Alfred E. Neuman in their helmets. Seems to me the actor that played the Lieutenent knew about that.

I hate how some soldiers in the movie don't wear helmets. Elias never wears a helmet through the entire movie. I seen a lot of soldiers say that they would never go into battle withouth a helmet. Especially because in Vietnam most soldiers would customize their helmets. They would become attached to them. The helmet became a personal item and part of the uniform.

Also, i'm the only one that thinks it's hilarious that Dale Dye wanted to make a cameo as a dead body being carried away in a body bag?
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