Shows/Films ruined by cruddy gunfights

[funkychinaman]

I wouldn't call it ruined, but I was disappointed by the gunplay in The Raid. I get it, it's a martial arts flick, but if you're going to go through the trouble of sending all the actors to training in weapons and tactics with a real special forces unit, why go all-Airsoft?

[Lenny]

Conversely I was going to mention The Raid as an example where cheapo After-Effects post-production gun effects worked really well (as opposed to TWD). Each to their own!

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Lenny

Conversely I was going to mention The Raid as an example where cheapo After-Effects post-production gun effects worked really well (as opposed to TWD). Each to their own!

Like I said, it didn't ruin the movie, it was very convincing. If you didn't watch the special features, I don't think the casual viewer would ever know. But if you're going to go all the way with the training, it's a shame not to go with real guns.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If you didn't watch the special features, I don't think the casual viewer would ever know.

Aye, had me fooled. I was so swept up in it I didn't know for a long time they were Airsoft. At a shoe string budget of, what, 2 million dollars, it can be excused I guess. But given that TWD has a budget of around that per episode, plus access to what looks like real firearms (or decommissioned/blank adapted ones anyway), you would have thought the sfx and general realism of the gunfights would be better (hell, I could do a better job storyboarding and using After Effects, gimme a job, AMC!).

[Excalibur]

I think with the Raid, perhaps the reason why there are no real guns could be both the fact that it was a low budget production and that the filming was in a country that has really strict gun control and probably because of their limited budget, they didn't get or couldn't get blank guns. I was a bit surprised that the cop characters had rifles with silencers but no optics. Then again, in the behind the scenes training, neither did the rifles they worked with

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

I wouldn't call it ruined, but I was disappointed by the gunplay in The Raid. I get it, it's a martial arts flick, but if you're going to go through the trouble of sending all the actors to training in weapons and tactics with a real special forces unit, why go all-Airsoft?

They probably couldn't get blank guns, or a permit to use them

[funkychinaman]

Regarding the OP's initial post, since it was the season finale, they could've simply run out of money. Maybe a prior episode had gone over budget.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Regarding the OP's initial post, since it was the season finale, they could've simply run out of money. Maybe a prior episode had gone over budget.

Sadly, I don't think this is the case: I think it's just shoddy directing, which goes part and parcel with The Walking Dead. Rewatching the scene again, it's not quite as awful as I thought at the time and there appears to be some blank-adapted guns and/or okay-ish post-production work- but the general realism is akin to an episode of The A-Team. If B.A. had appeared riding the tiger, I wouldn't have been surprised.

Anyway, judge for yourself: there are worse gunfights out there for sure, but given this was built up throughout a really boring season, the payoff was disappointingly silly. 'Action' begins around 1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lq-9Jb1FNU

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Lenny

Sadly, I don't think this is the case: I think it's just shoddy directing, which goes part and parcel with The Walking Dead. Rewatching the scene again, it's not quite as awful as I thought at the time and there appears to be some blank-adapted guns and/or okay-ish post-production work- but the general realism is akin to an episode of The A-Team. If B.A. had appeared riding the tiger, I wouldn't have been surprised.

Anyway, judge for yourself: there are worse gunfights out there for sure, but given this was built up throughout a really boring season, the payoff was disappointingly silly. 'Action' begins around 1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lq-9Jb1FNU

I don't watch the show, but is Negan supposed to be a huge Escape from New York fan or was his MAC-10 just a coincidence?

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

I don't watch the show, but is Negan supposed to be a huge Escape from New York fan or was his MAC-10 just a coincidence?

I think it was a nice little homage. Better than him wearing Snake's vest I guess...

Ugh.