Handguns Grips & Trigger Discipline In Hollywood

[Excalibur]

I seriously don't care about the cup and saucer grip anymore. If I see it, I'll notice it, but it's not going to "ruin" a movie for me. The Hurt Locker was a great movie. So what if the man didn't hold the gun right. Army guys gets very little handgun training to begin with.

[AdAstra2009]

What's wrong with the "Cup and Saucer Grip" it is an official US Army approved grip...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../chap2.htm#2-1

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I seriously don't care about the cup and saucer grip anymore. If I see it, I'll notice it, but it's not going to "ruin" a movie for me. The Hurt Locker was a great movie. So what if the man didn't hold the gun right. Army guys gets very little handgun training to begin with.

I didn't say the only thing that ruin the movie is the cup and saucer grip. It was just the last straw. The movie was completely embarrasing as in they made the soldiers looks like retards and didn't know what the hell they were doing. I even found a video which list all these retarded mistakes because there is just too much to list for this piece of crap of a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq2PNmCCE9w

Originally Posted by MT2008

It's a disgrace to the U.S. Army because Jeremy Renner holds a Beretta with cup-and-saucer grip? LOL. Personally, I thought "Green Zone" was far more disgraceful to the U.S. Army than "The Hurt Locker" could ever have been.

We've already had a gazillion topics about this same subject, and personally, I think that the complaints about actors' gun handling are getting kind of played out. Yes, many actors hold firearms in inappropriate ways that one would expect their character to know are wrong. If that really bothers you so much, don't watch movies or TV.

First, Green Zone executed almost perfectly because his whole team in the movie were actual Afganistan/Iraq war veterans. Perfect trigger discipline, perfect tactics, and perfect weapons handling. I know he goes rogue by himself like half of the movie and shoots a green beret, but Matt Damon played a soldier damn near perfect.

In Hurt Locker, the whole movie was a cluster fuck, not just his horrible grip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq2PNmCCE9w

Second, I'm not complaining about every movie with bad gun handling, just the police and military movies that are modern. If we had more directors like Michael Mann and Christopher McQuarrie, then maybe we'll get somewhere with these inaccuracies.

Last, it should matter because if you're going to portray a person who is trained extensively on firearms such as a cop or soldier, do it right. Yuo know how much training these people go through and get bitched at improper grip and no trigger discipline. ALOT! I should know because I was U.S. Army infantry.

[k9870]

I see grip as excusable but trigger discipline is just common sense. Everyone should know it, the only people in movies that should be touching the trigger are characters who have never held one before, like being given one first time, or street thugs and such. A cop should not have the finger wrapped around a glock trigger.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by sillybunz13

First, Green Zone executed almost perfectly because his whole team in the movie were actual Afganistan/Iraq war veterans. Perfect trigger discipline, perfect tactics, and perfect weapons handling. I know he goes rogue by himself like half of the movie and shoots a green beret, but Matt Damon played a soldier damn near perfect.

And somehow, that makes up for the other problems? Like...

(1.) The "Green Zone" suggests that the U.S. military is in Iraq for oil (did you forget the very last scene?)

(2.) Almost every soldier in the movie who isn't in Matt Damon's platoon fits in the "bad guy" category (the SF unit led by Jason Issacs' character, the soldiers who abuse prisoners in the internment camp, etc.) Actually, pretty much every American in the movie besides Matt Damon and his men are portrayed as bad guys.

(3.) The other soldiers in the movie are portrayed as far more incompetent than those in "The Hurt Locker" (Iraqi insurgents taking out a platoon of Delta Force operators? Yeah right).

(4.) Matt Damon is a leftist loudmouth fucktard with a superiority complex on anything political. If he had his way, America would probably be some European welfare state where guns were illegal and serving in the military is frowned upon.

(5.) Almost everyone I know who likes "Green Zone" leans to the left. Whereas most people I know who are conservative and pro-military regard the movie as an insult to the troops. I have read plenty of reviews and blog posts of "The Hurt Locker" by Army veterans who have called it unrealistic, but few of them seem to think it's "disgraceful".

So when all is said and done, I consider movies like "Green Zone" - on the basis of their politics - to be far more "disgraceful" to the U.S. military than a movie like "The Hurt Locker" (a movie which does not have some bullshit left-wing message). I'm not sure how you managed to watch the "Green Zone" without feeling at least as much outrage as you did watching "The Hurt Locker".

[Spades of Columbia]

Originally Posted by MT2008

And somehow, that makes up for the other problems? Like...

(1.) The "Green Zone" suggests that the U.S. military is in Iraq for oil (did you forget the very last scene?)

(2.) Almost every soldier in the movie who isn't in Matt Damon's platoon fits in the "bad guy" category (the SF unit led by Jason Issacs' character, the soldiers who abuse prisoners in the internment camp, etc.) Actually, pretty much every American in the movie besides Matt Damon and his men are portrayed as bad guys.

(3.) The other soldiers in the movie are portrayed as far more incompetent than those in "The Hurt Locker" (Iraqi insurgents taking out a platoon of Delta Force operators? Yeah right).

(4.) Matt Damon is a leftist loudmouth fucktard with a superiority complex on anything political. If he had his way, America would probably be some European welfare state where guns were illegal and serving in the military is frowned upon.

(5.) Almost everyone I know who likes "Green Zone" leans to the left. Whereas most people I know who are conservative and pro-military regard the movie as an insult to the troops. I have read plenty of reviews and blog posts of "The Hurt Locker" by Army veterans who have called it unrealistic, but few of them seem to think it's "disgraceful".

So when all is said and done, I consider movies like "Green Zone" - on the basis of their politics - to be far more "disgraceful" to the U.S. military than a movie like "The Hurt Locker" (a movie which does not have some bullshit left-wing message). I'm not sure how you managed to watch the "Green Zone" without feeling at least as much outrage as you did watching "The Hurt Locker".

And We're not over there because of oil?...you should watch the begining of "The Kingdom" again. What I liked about the green zone is it focuses on a soldier willing to ask questions instead of mindlessly following orders.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Spades of Columbia

And We're not over there because of oil?...you should watch the begining of "The Kingdom" again. What I liked about the green zone is it focuses on a soldier willing to ask questions instead of mindlessly following orders.

First of all, let me say up front that I regard the Iraq War as a mistake and wish we had not gone in retrospect. The fact that I wish we had not gone to Iraq, however, does not mean that I don't find "Green Zone" repugnant.

That being said, no, we are not in Iraq for oil. Also, instead of watching a movie made by Hollywood, I'd recommend this:

http://www.amazon.com/Plan-Attack-De...9001561&sr=8-5

Anyway, let's not focus too much on the politics. I'm just curious to understand how "The Hurt Locker" is really a worse film than "Green Zone".

[k9870]

1/5 of u.s. oil comes from the middle east. Thts it. If we wanted war for oil we could invade venezuela and say its due to them supporting FARC.

And fact stands sarin, mustard gas, illegal missiles, etc., were found in iraq. Before the war saddam wouldnt let inspectors into sites, trying to hide what he had. Hundreds of cargo trucks fled to syria before we rolled in. Munitions were probably buried too, the country is a bigass desert/

As to hurt locker, it was unrealistic but showed american soldiers as brave and heroic, ready to risk their lives to save others. There are too many left wing movies out there where soldiers go crazy and commit murder, are rapeists, and other discraceful acts.

In The Hurt Locker's defense, Sgt. James wasn't the sanest individual out there. Still, it always annoys me when people ignore the foregrip out there.