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Old 06-30-2012, 02:21 PM
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Hey guys, just a quick question.
Firstly I've never handle any semi auto pistol in my life, just the m16 and mp5 mostly, so bear with me.....

Assuming a 1911 has no magazine and the slide stop is hooked to the slide:
some press down the slide stop after inserting a magazine to chamber a round,
while others rack the slide back and release to chamber a round.

is this purely self preference or are there reasons behind each one?

like example, me being in the law enforcement reserves, our hk mp5 instructors
always told us to cock, hook, reload and release. instead of reload and cock.
they claim it increases the chance of feeding malfunction.
racking the slide is easier under stress and works with all types of gun so you dont need to retrain when getting another one with different release levers.

Also, consistency of motion, loading, unloading, malfunction clearances, safety checks, etc, all involve racking the slide. So reloads might as well too.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:53 PM
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I'm surprised nobody has said about the fact that using the slide release rather than racking the slide is worse for the gun. If you repeatedly used the slide release there is the possibility of rounding off the back edge of the slide stop and the front edge of the notch on the slide, meaning that it may not hold securely or could wear to the point of failure. Of course it would take a LONG time for any damage to happen, but it is unnecessary wear to put on the weapon. I do it both ways, racking the side for loading and clearing a pistol, and using the slide stop during a quick reload.

Also, the reason British police generally don't carry guns is not because they are dumb, but because they historically didn't need to. Gun murders per capita in the US are about 25 times that of the UK, so there is less need for the police to carry firearms. Having said that there are still a number of armed police in the UK. In addition to armed response, firearms are carried as a matter of course when guarding airports, foreign embassies and high value targets. They are also always carried by several specialist forces, including the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, the Northern Ireland Police, and the MOD Police.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:50 AM
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I don't agree with the philosophy of a gun is not needed for police work. Crime rate aside, you ask any cop in America to disarm and be apart of the "unarmed" cops, they will say no. The crime rate is the UK is just as high for such a small area. Now justifications for the use of a gun in the line of duty is always the final measure, but saying a gun is "not needed" simply because crime is low is dumb.

You read a lot of reports of police in the line of duty using their guns, they will draw on criminals with any weapon in general. Just because they aren't using a gun as a weapon doesn't mean the cops don't need guns for protection. Originally England's entire police force were all armed to begin with. They had just slowly put the mentality that they don't need guns to enforce the law despite the crime rate in that country.



Back the the slide lock thing. You're right, it will take a while for the slide lock to be worn out from repeated use. And even if it does break, get a new one. It isn't hard. It's just a little piece of metal that holds the slide back. I'd be more cautious of the springs and guide rods than the slide release
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:06 PM
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For the on topic(ish) bit first, I agree that it will take a hell of a long time to wear out a slide release. I use military and police issued pistols, and although I have never had a slide release break or fail to hold back, I have seen some that look pretty worn out and I believe could fail. Also, it is not only the cheap, easily replaceable slide stop that you are wearing out, but also the slide. I know it is a really small amount of wear to put on a gun, but I like to avoid it all the same.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the idea that all British police need guns. There are situations where firearms are required, and those are dealt with by armed response vehicles or specialist firearms officers. There simply is not the need to have every officer carrying a firearm as a matter of course. The public don't want it, the government don't want it, and the police don't want it. There is currently a push to have all frontline officer armed with Tazers, and even that is seen by some as overkill. I am in the MOD Police so am in the minority that I carry a firearm for regular duty, but that is purely due to the nature of the job, which is very different from regular policing.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:47 PM
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Well I decided on the P226. Found a local guy with an FFL who had one that was confiscated in a Police Raid. Never fired, had a few dings on the slide from where it was thrown in an evidence box but other then that its brand new. Pictures to follow after the 10 wait is up.

In the mean time, any recommendations on a good holster? It's not for concealed carry, just for holstering when I'm at the range and the like.

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Old 07-08-2012, 06:37 PM
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Make sure your range will let you wear a holster and keep your gun on your person in one, I've personally never been to one that allowed it.

Anyway, some considerations for a holster. First off, is the gun a P226 pre rail or an R version with a rail? It might make a difference when picking a holster.

You say this is for recreational use so OWB (outside the waist band/on the belt) would probably be best since it is more comfortable than IWB (inside the waist band) and concealment is not an issue.

You should also consider whether you want a leather, nylon or kydex holster. All have their benefits and detriments a bit too numerous for a simple response. Additionally, I'd recommend skipping one size fits all nylon holsters like Uncle Mikes atogether. While they are cheap, the money spent on them would be better served put toward a higher end holster fit specifically for the gun. I think 50 dollars give or take is a good amount to spend on a holster. At that price range you get a good return on the extra money spent in terms of features and quality.

Let me get the TACTICAL suggestions out of the way (all Kydex):

Blackhawk SERPA
5.11 Thumb Drive
Raven Concealment Systems Phantom
Blade Tech belt holster
Safariland ALS and other models with the rotating retention device
SIG Sauer has a proprietary holster with a locking system similar to the SERPAs as well if you want that kind of retention and you like a "matching" holster.

If you want a leather holster, take a look at the offerings by Bianchi and Galco (more expensive) or Don Hume and DeSantis (cheaper but still good quality). They're all big holster makers that still have reputations for quality.

From my own experience I'd recommend the Bianchi 7001 Accumold for basic stuff though. Thumb break retention is classic and sturdy, and it's relatively cheap for a good quality nylon holster that will form fit the gun. My friend kept his P226 in the paddle version, which wore sturdier than my belt slide version and lower cut for faster draws, but the paddle version is more expensive.

Look around locally to see what stores have in stock, but don't be afraid to buy one online and return it if you're not in love with it. Opticsplanet has just about every holster at a reasonable price and free shipping, and Amazon has some as well, and they have good customer service.

Lot of text, I know, but shopping for holsters can be a pain in the ass and I just wanted to pass on some significant points I've collected from my research on the subject. Hope it helps.

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Old 07-08-2012, 06:39 PM
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That really helps! Thanks man. :-)
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:27 PM
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When I used a P226R I got a Fobus paddle holster for range use. I got it new off of Ebay for £15 and I found it ideal for that purpose. It had no manual retention straps or mechanisms to worry about, was made out of plastic so didn't give a shit about getting oil or cleaning fluid on it and leaving it in a cupboard for a week or two, and as it was a paddle could just slip it on over my trousers/belt when I was using it without taking of my belt (along with the many things which I tend to have on my belt). I think some people have issues with too much/not enough retention on them but I didn't, and for pure range use and for the price I think they are good.
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