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Ongoing Error: Members are Wrong about the M2 Carbine
From what I've learned, there are literally NO real M2 carbines in Movie armories, perhaps a very few and I can't think of a film where they show the M2 Carbine firing full auto. On the contrary there are TONS of M1 Carbines, most of them being the Post war Version.
Also IMFDB members keep on mis-identifying the M1 Carbine with a 30 round magazine as an M2. Just because it has a 30 round magazine doesn't make it an M2. If you don't see it firing full auto, then it's an M1. There are TONS of those in movie armory inventory. Also unless you SEE the selector switch on the left side, again , it's an M1 Carbine - 99.99% of the time. I will be fixing the M1 Carbine page, but we need to stop members from making this error. |
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There really aren't any M2s at all in the industry? Hmmm, that surprises me a little. But yeah, I do realize that an M1 Carbine with a 30-round mag does not mean an M2 by itself.
Chalk this mistake up with members mis-identifying Glock pistols as 22s or 23s, just because the characters in the movie using them are FBI Agents. You wouldn't believe how many times I've had to fix that one... |
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Again, my caveat, is that my comment does NOT apply to films shot overseas. Other countries have tons of stuff that I can only guess at, though I would really like to fly over there and start taking pictures! |
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I know that The Eagle has Landed has a couple of M2s. They are best scene when the idiot Col. gets killed and teh guy with him rushes Mrs. Gray. I might try to get some screenshots.
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Also, I forget...did you go to Canada to photograph any guns? I thought that was how you got the pictures of the Norinco Type 84 Match/Target rifles (since those variants were never sold in this country)? |
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BTW: The Eagle has landed page was already made by User:Mauser. That was filmed in England 100% and used British Armorers and yes, those were REAL M2s because in Mauser's screenshots, you can see the selector switch very clearly and they are seen on screen firing full auto (which is unusual since the M2 didn't formally hit the fields until the war was over and the full auto conversion kits shipped out in late 44 for the M1 Carbines were still really rare, but it was 'possible', but unlikely.) I also have a theory about WW2 era guns. For one thing, it was easy (well at least until 1986) for American citizens with the proper paperwork to buy and collect full auto guns. It was NOT an option for British Firearms armories to sell off their guns to the public like we did in America for many years. A lot of the M2s that are pre-86 transferable are in the hands of private collections. A lot of the police armories got rid of their M2s in the 1970s so these were sold to the public. But in the U.K. they did not have that option, so they hang on to massive warehouses of WW2 and immediate post WW2 stuff forever. Also the DOD gave away a lot of our M2 carbines to other countries (Vietnam, El Salvador, Chile, various African nations, etc.) during the Cold War. |
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The reason I ask you, MPM, is because...if you've visited the cast/crew of Battlestar Galactica, do you know the armorers, too? More specifically, do you know the name of the big armory in Vancouver (or elsewhere in BC) that supplies that show? It's a mystery I've been trying to crack for a while.
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Remember I'm only a visitor to the set. Sorry, my contacts in the great white north are cast and above the line production crew only. It's kinda depressing when I talk to a top billed actor and ask them, "So who's the armorer on this set?" and they look at me with a blank stare like I just asked them who the 2nd 2nd Assistant Gaffer was.......
My only pics of Canadian guns from from buddies who I know personally who are big gun collectors or Canadian law enforcement dealers. And even those guys I talk to maybe ONCE in every 3 years. I haven't talked to any Canadian armorers in a long time. I'm surprised you couldn't get one of the other armorers like Al. He must know. Quote:
As for the movies, I think the best rule of thumb is to assume it's an M1 unless compelling proof that it is an M2. We have entries in the movie section that have real M2 and have either the screen caps or scenes of the guns firing full auto to prove it. So they are out there. |
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http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html He isn't credited on "BSG" (at least, not on IMDB), but then again, he doesn't seem to be credited on a lot of stuff, including "Stargate: Universe", even though this video indicates he worked on that show. I also have a sneaky suspicion that he's probably worked as armorer on 90% of the shows filmed in British Columbia, even though I don't know what armory he works for. Quote:
LMO had one for sale years ago, I remember. I'm not sure who it came from originally, or whose hands it's in now. I do remember that it was priced quite ridiculously (and this was a long time ago, too). Last edited by MT2008; 03-18-2010 at 01:26 AM. |
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did we ever straighten out colt snubs (cobra, agent, dick special)
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