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Old 04-26-2011, 10:25 PM
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Default just for fun.....Fantasy ww2 weapons

There was a lot of good technology, but do to manufacturing priorities were made limited or only prototype. Heres the rules: Using only existing technology and manufacturing processes from the time come up with some cool guns.

The AK-47 was possible. Id say a Good AK would be a much better gun for the russians. the medium cartidge and firepower would be excellent for stalingrad like environments. The AK47u would be possible too. Its easy to carve wood into a front pistol grip, the tommy gun had it. make it with a longer stock (no body armor in ww2) and a thicker grip.

I also say the 276 petersen round as our MBR cartridge. A m14 type gun would be possible. Get a Garand to use BAR mags or something. Lighter recoil with range and punch in the petersen.

Modify the 1911s with bigger sights and bigger safety, and gold bead front sights.

I think asquad gpmg wold be good but dont know how to make it, maybe a bar size gun with a belt feed and a compensator?
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:17 AM
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M1941 Johnson LMG, converteted to belt feed, possably with a heavier barrel.
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:38 AM
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Get a Garand to use BAR mags or something.
The M1 Garand was originally designed to use a 15 round detachable box magazine. The War Department nixed it for two reasons. The box magazine interfered with the Manual of Arms drill. And it was felt that the Soldiers would waste ammo with a 15 round magazine. It was also figured that there would be no major conflict because of WWI (the war to end all wars), so such a large ammo capacity would not be needed.

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Old 04-27-2011, 03:49 AM
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An M1 or M2 carbine chambered in a round with more range and power than .30 carbine. It could have one of the first assault rifles and would have done good in the house to house fighting in Europe.
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A much more developed family of weapons based off the battle proven Stg/MP-44 series. Seriously, if the Germans had implemented the MP44 early in the war, it would have made a bigger impact. Imagine the entire German infantry with assault rifles against the US Garands.


Though I have always wished the BAR was lighter with a higher capacity box magazine.
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I never understood why antitank rifles weren't immediately repurposed as long range sniper/antimaterial rifles.
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I never understood why antitank rifles weren't immediately repurposed as long range sniper/antimaterial rifles.
Cause most soldiers dont want to hump a 40 pound gun over miles of land. Snipers shoot quick move quick, they dont just sit behind your spawn point....
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Cause most soldiers dont want to hump a 40 pound gun over miles of land. Snipers shoot quick move quick, they dont just sit behind your spawn point....
They were already crew served to begin with...
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Maybe these rifles weren't that common to begin with.
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Maybe these rifles weren't that common to begin with.
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The Boys rifle was used in the early stages of World War II against lightly armoured German tanks and combat vehicles. Britain also supplied a large number of Boys anti-tank rifles to Finland in 1939 and 1940 during the Winter War with the Soviet Union. The weapon was popular with the Finns, because it could deal with Soviet T-26 tanks which the Finnish Army encountered in many engagements.

Although useful against some early German, Italian, and Soviet tanks in France, North Africa, and Finland, increases in vehicle armour during the Second World War left the Boys largely ineffectual as an anti-tank weapon. A shortened version was issued in 1942 for issue to airborne forces and saw use in Tunisia, where it proved completely ineffective because of the reduced velocity caused by the shortened barrel. In the European theatre it was soon replaced by the PIAT (Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank) in 1943, which first saw service during the Allied invasion of Sicily. In other roles the Boys saw some use against bunkers, machine gun nests and light-skinned vehicles but was rapidly replaced in British and Commonwealth service by the U.S. .50 BMG calibre M2 Browning machine gun as quantities of the latter weapon became available.

Using armour-piercing (AP), armour-piercing incendiary (API), and armour-piercing incendiary tracer (APIT) ammunition, the .50 Browning was just as capable in armour penetration and more devastating when igniting thin-skinned vehicles using incendiary rounds than the Boys, but the Browning could also serve as an effective anti-aircraft weapon. Even the British Special Air Service, which made much use of captured or cast-off weapons for their jeeps and reconnaissance vehicles, quickly got rid of their Boys rifles in favor of .50 M2 Brownings or the Italian 20mm Breda cannon.

However, in the Pacific theatre the Boys was used against the lightly armoured Japanese tanks in Malaya as late as 1942, when the 1/14th Punjabis knocked out two light Japanese tanks at a roadblock. During the Battle of Singapore the 1st Cambridgeshire Regiment found the Boys very useful in knocking holes through walls during street fighting. As British and Commonwealth forces lacked a longer-range rocket-propelled anti-tank weapon such as the bazooka or panzerschreck, the Boys remained in inventory for use in that theatre.
62,000 made, starting in 1937, served until 1943. Doesn't sound that uncommon to me. It was replaced by rocket launchers and heavy machine guns in antimaterial, antitank, and bunker busting roles, but nobody thought to put a scope on it?

Edit: Apparently they were also used by The Philippines well into the 1960's.

Edit 2: Disney produced the training video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODm7HF5lFU

Wikipedia also says the Chinese Nationalists did use them as sniper rifles, but it's not sourced.

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