The UN Arms Treaty situation

[Excalibur]

I want to make sure everyone here makes sure they are aware of this

http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/7175/gun-control/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Plv...layer_embedded

[AdAstra2009]

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[Spartan198]

Signed.

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[MT2008]

I think we've had this discussion before, but...really? You guys are actually afraid of the UN? The UN is a forum for carrying out (uesless) attempts at diplomacy; it is not and never will be a global decision-making body, no matter how much it might aspire to be.

I realize that the RKBAers love conspiracy theories, but this is just too ridiculous. There's a reason why our community is so difficult to take seriously, and stuff like this is a perfect example.

[Excalibur]

I didn't say I was afraid, but I want notice of it

[commando552]

I don't know much about this and am not sure why people are against it, can someone explain it. Is it that people are afraid it will infringe on the 2nd amendment (not sure how it can exactly but whatever), or because it will potentially affect US arms exports and threaten domestic industry? I'm British so can't sign the petition even if I agreed with it (don't understand it yet so don't know if I do) am just curious.

When I clicked on the petition this is the first comment: "F*uck the gun grabbing, victim disarmament, New World Order controlled, Fascists at the UN!!! DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!!!!!!!"

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I didn't say I was afraid, but I want notice of it

If you really think this matters at all, then you're giving it more attention than it requires or deserves.

Originally Posted by commando552

I don't know much about this and am not sure why people are against it, can someone explain it. Is it that people are afraid it will infringe on the 2nd amendment (not sure how it can exactly but whatever), or because it will potentially affect US arms exports and threaten domestic industry? I'm British so can't sign the petition even if I agreed with it (don't understand it yet so don't know if I do) am just curious.

They claim that if arms exports are regulated by this Arms Trade Treaty, it will apparently require all gun owners to register their weapons in order to prevent their export. And of course, since the UN is some evil entity bent on furthering international jihad and international socialism (simultaneously), this will inevitably be the first step in the global gun ban that is required to allow the Ayatollahs and the Stalinists to take control and turn the world into Oceania, or the Ummah, or whatever...

Aside from the extremely dubious causal logic inherent in the above statement, the bigger issue is why anyone expects that an organization which has consistently failed to convince ragtag African militias to hand over their guns (with polite words and neutered "peacekeepers") will ever be able to implement/enforce any type of global gun ban.

Originally Posted by commando552

When I clicked on the petition this is the first comment: "F*uck the gun grabbing, victim disarmament, New World Order controlled, Fascists at the UN!!! DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!!!!!!!"

That should tell you everything you need to know about the types of retards who permeate the pro-RKBA community, and who would sign such a dumb petition.

[AdAstra2009]

Regardless I hate the UN and will stand in the way of anything that will further it's legitimacy.

[Spartan198]

I can't see why one would hate the UN, since the reasons behind its creation (to settle national disputes peacefully and tackle world issues as part of a united front) are about as noble as can get. It's just the fact that they can't do shit without military (specifically US) support that has people questioning how useful it really is.

I mean, it's not the damn Terran Federation.

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by Spartan198

I can't see why one would hate the UN, since the reasons behind its creation (to settle national disputes peacefully and tackle world issues as part of a united front) are about as noble as can get. It's just the fact that they can't do shit without military (specifically US) support that has people questioning how useful it really is.

I mean, it's not the damn Terran Federation.

I'm against a bunch of pompous politicians deciding they can try and rule over all of humanity by creating international treaties. Who are they to say they rule over all people on the face of the earth. That's why, and for those who say that the UN is a powerless joke (which they are) I want it to stay that way.