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[ersoz]

Hi there.
New here and I'd like to share some pics I took last week at the Military museum here in Istanbul. Some unusual and some familiar looking. I'm not that good at identifying firearms and the museum did not use proper descriptions so your help and knowledge is appreciated. Thank you.

The museum carries many different makes and models of lever action rifles.
Here's one of them.



Apparently this one was designed to fire grippling hooks - missing the hook -



Here's an unusual one:




I'd like to see how you holster this one:



That's it for now but there is a lot more...

[Gunmaster45]

The first image looks like a Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy", but it has no magazine tube... It appears like it has a water-cooling jacket over the barrel, like a belt-fed water-cooled machine gun. Maybe this was an early attempt to solve handling the hot barrel without a forend... Also, looks like a Mannlicher-Shoener rifle in the background, can't ID the one to the right.

That pistol with the multiple barrels is said to be French designed, but it has a similair design to the original John Browning (not his more famous son), who invented the Harmonica rifle, which worked on a similar principle.

[ersoz]

Thank you sir.
I'm afraid I don't have pics of the other two rifles but I'm almost certain they are either German or Russian.

Here's some more:

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by ersoz

I'd like to see how you holster this one:



That's it for now but there is a lot more...

Believe that's called a Harmonica gun if I'm not mistaken. Invented by John Moses Browning's father, Jonathan Browning.

-EDIT, didn't see that GM45 already nailed it down....

[ersoz]

Here's an interesting one from Belgium.
It's a 19th century magazine fed Belgian pistol:



A Martin?



Custom made Ottoman pistol



Another Ottoman (?) pistol



The museum has a few thousand firearms from different centuries... So I think I will be contributing for awhile...

[k9870]

how does that mag fed pistol cycle?

[ersoz]

Well..That's the problem with this museum. So many guns and almost no descriptions. I'm afraid I have no idea but I also would like to know how it cycles.
Perhaps the operator of the weapon cycles it manually by pushing the mag downwards or upwards. Would that be possible?

[k9870]

either way, excellent pics.

[Nyles]

I think the mag tube of the Winchester is likely inside the jacket (incidentally the 1866 did have a wood forend). The Ottoman Army actually used the Winchester 1866 Musket to good effect at the Battle of Plevna in 1877. They ultimately lost, but held for months against a Russian force 3 times their size.

The Bergmann actually isn't necessarily missing the mag, it loads by inserting a stripper clip of ammo into a trapdoor in the side, as I recall the bottom is supposed to be open.

[BlackIce_GTS]

Originally Posted by ersoz

Posted in the zombiehunters.org WTF guns thread, thought I'd share:

Originally Posted by CaptainRW

If I recall rightly, it's from Turkey or that part of the world, so who knows what they might have been on. It's based on the long barreled Musket version of the '66... Would be in 44 rimfire and be blackpowder cartridge. Now back a few years, I had a Ballard Sporting rifle (single shot/manual extraction) from 1864, it had a cracked breach block so I had one done up in 44/40, so I could reload and use it. I could fire 18 aimed shots a minute with it and sustain that for 8-10 minutes with ease. Now, after the first 2-3 the forearm wood stock got so hot, I could not hold it without good leather gloves. By the 8-10 minute mark, I couldn't hold it even with the gloves... Now, I'm not sure how fast you could fire a king improved Henry. I know I could outshoot the Henry Rifles, but their loading sucks. I could stay ahead of the Spencer carbine guy with a Blakely box for reloading...

So, I'm guessing you could shoot this fast enough with 44rf ammo to heat it up good. Remember the old guns don't disperse heat nearly as well as new ones go. Heat was just starting to be an issue...