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Old 02-01-2011, 11:54 PM
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Hi there.
New here and I'd like to share some pics I took last week at the Military museum here in Istanbul. Some unusual and some familiar looking. I'm not that good at identifying firearms and the museum did not use proper descriptions so your help and knowledge is appreciated. Thank you.

The museum carries many different makes and models of lever action rifles.
Here's one of them.



Apparently this one was designed to fire grippling hooks - missing the hook -



Here's an unusual one:




I'd like to see how you holster this one:



That's it for now but there is a lot more...

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Old 02-02-2011, 12:01 AM
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The first image looks like a Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy", but it has no magazine tube... It appears like it has a water-cooling jacket over the barrel, like a belt-fed water-cooled machine gun. Maybe this was an early attempt to solve handling the hot barrel without a forend... Also, looks like a Mannlicher-Shoener rifle in the background, can't ID the one to the right.

That pistol with the multiple barrels is said to be French designed, but it has a similair design to the original John Browning (not his more famous son), who invented the Harmonica rifle, which worked on a similar principle.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:11 AM
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Thank you sir.
I'm afraid I don't have pics of the other two rifles but I'm almost certain they are either German or Russian.

Here's some more:







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I'd like to see how you holster this one:



That's it for now but there is a lot more...
Believe that's called a Harmonica gun if I'm not mistaken. Invented by John Moses Browning's father, Jonathan Browning.

-EDIT, didn't see that GM45 already nailed it down....

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Old 02-02-2011, 02:27 AM
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Here's an interesting one from Belgium.
It's a 19th century magazine fed Belgian pistol:



A Martin?



Custom made Ottoman pistol



Another Ottoman (?) pistol



The museum has a few thousand firearms from different centuries... So I think I will be contributing for awhile...
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how does that mag fed pistol cycle?
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:33 AM
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Well..That's the problem with this museum. So many guns and almost no descriptions. I'm afraid I have no idea but I also would like to know how it cycles.
Perhaps the operator of the weapon cycles it manually by pushing the mag downwards or upwards. Would that be possible?
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either way, excellent pics.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:58 AM
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Thank you Sir.

Here's a German semi and I assume its mag is missing:



But I'll take these instead: (most sinister looking handgun ever)



This one is a beauty:



When it comes to German weapons of late 19th century and early 20th century, Turkey is a gold mine. Especially 1896's, P08's and their variants with accessories can be found quite easily.

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Old 02-02-2011, 03:05 AM
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I think the mag tube of the Winchester is likely inside the jacket (incidentally the 1866 did have a wood forend). The Ottoman Army actually used the Winchester 1866 Musket to good effect at the Battle of Plevna in 1877. They ultimately lost, but held for months against a Russian force 3 times their size.

The Bergmann actually isn't necessarily missing the mag, it loads by inserting a stripper clip of ammo into a trapdoor in the side, as I recall the bottom is supposed to be open.
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