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Old 06-08-2016, 01:52 AM
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Question Could the FBI save money by converting their handguns to 9mm?

There's an article I found that argues the FBI could, instead of fielding proposals for a new service handgun in 9mm, save money by converting its .40 S&W Glocks to 9mm.

For those who don't want to read through the article to find its proposal to convert the FBI's Glocks to 9mm, you can find it here.

Is the article's author on target or not?
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:18 AM
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Something to consider is that the existing Glocks may be worn out. Sure, converting to 9mm would mean new parts, but why not just get new guns?
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:22 AM
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I've heard that the reason why the M9 handgun is being replaced by the US Armed Forces that used it previously is that the M9 frames are wearing out. But does the FBI use their handguns often enough to approach that level of wear?

The article also mentions that many FBI agents have no business being armed, or don't have the field experience (i.e., in on-the-street law enforcement with the possibility of running into violent situations) to use their handguns well without a lot of time they may not have spent training. I don't know how accurate that is.

There is also the possibility of a making a "trade-in and buy another model at a discount" deal with Glock. If the FBI traded in their .40 S&W Glocks for Glock 19s to fit with their caliber change they could save money and still keep the same manual of arms.
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I've heard that the reason why the M9 handgun is being replaced by the US Armed Forces that used it previously is that the M9 frames are wearing out. But does the FBI use their handguns often enough to approach that level of wear?

The article also mentions that many FBI agents have no business being armed, or don't have the field experience (i.e., in on-the-street law enforcement with the possibility of running into violent situations) to use their handguns well without a lot of time they may not have spent training. I don't know how accurate that is.

There is also the possibility of a making a "trade-in and buy another model at a discount" deal with Glock. If the FBI traded in their .40 S&W Glocks for Glock 19s to fit with their caliber change they could save money and still keep the same manual of arms.
I don't know if the federal government would be allowed to do a straight up trade-in deal with Glock. There's a lot of money on the line, and I think the FBI has to solicit competitive bids.
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If they want to do this on the cheap, it is very simple to get conversions of their existing Glocks into 9mm. It's rather easy if they want to save money. Most likely they can just straight up trade in their current Glocks and most likely resold back onto the civilian market
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I don't know if the federal government would be allowed to do a straight up trade-in deal with Glock. There's a lot of money on the line, and I think the FBI has to solicit competitive bids.
With so many recent procurement deals going severely over-budget in the American defense industry (just look at the Zumwalt-class destroyers), a trade-in deal or caliber modification program looks much more cost-effective and should have less opportunities for costs to balloon out of control. Or is there a law somewhere that demands that competitive bids always be fielded first? Those bids for all-new handguns aren't likely going to have the same manual of arms and are almost certainly going to cost more than a trade-in deal or caliber modification program.

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If they want to do this on the cheap, it is very simple to get conversions of their existing Glocks into 9mm. It's rather easy if they want to save money. Most likely they can just straight up trade in their current Glocks and most likely resold back onto the civilian market
The trade-in deal is something I mentioned already. But how likely is a "resell to civilian market" move going to happen? The FBI's .40 S&W Glocks could just as easily be returned to Glock for recycling.
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