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Old 05-04-2010, 01:25 AM
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Default Proposed new rule=no "unknowns" on the article page

You see it in alot of pages on the site. Honestly though I think it just looks bad and sloppy. I mean the purpose of this site is to tell visitors what a certain gun in a movie is. Not to just spit back an image or a crappy description that tells you nothing. I think all unknown weapons should be restricted to the discussion/talk page until they are identified. Otherwise it just looks amateurish.

A few examples of pages with "unknowns"

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Unknown#Unknown_shotgun

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Tango...rreled_shotgun

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Wire%...Barrel_Shotgun
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:07 AM
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The discussion pages don't get that much traffic. So a viewer who just might happen to know what such and such unknown gun is, won't see it. That's pretty hypothetical, but I rarely check discussion pages when I'm browsing.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:13 AM
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Thought about that too, but presentation is more important in my mind.
In much of the case the "unknown" is left up indefinitely and it looks amateurish and sloppy in the end.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:18 AM
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Well the point is to put up the unknowns so that someone on the site can help ID the gun.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:38 AM
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I dunno...if we did this, people looking for the double-barrel shotguns in a particular movie would never be able to find them.

Presentation is important (which is why I get so annoyed at people who can't follow the proper page format), but never forget...when all's said and done, we're still a Wiki. Everyone knows that Wikis are by definition always incomplete at best, and factually inaccurate at worst. Nobody reads a Wiki expecting perfection, so it just seems like it's splitting hairs.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:52 AM
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I've been here for a long time and sometimes I always find at least one gun in a movie that I can't ID. So I make an unknown section so someone else who can recognize it right away, point it out and I'll change it.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:40 PM
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Of course, the problem is that sometimes, people who think they know the answer change it, even though they're still wrong.

I can't count the number of times that somebody has tried to change the "Bourne Supremacy" page to say that the sniper rifle from the movie is a Walther WA2000 (even though it's not, for reasons that we discussed on the Talk Page). So I eventually had to put a note on the page to indicate that the rifle is NOT a WA2000.

I almost wonder if we should have a rule where you can't have an Unknown gun on the page unless you tell the anonymous newbies to visit the talk page first before making their guess about its identity. That, at least, would save us some headaches.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:36 PM
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I'm no gun expert, but in the pages I do contribute to, I try to make my screenshots as clear and detailed as possible so as to help the more knowledgeable people on this wiki identify weapons I'm not familiar with as quickly and as easily as possible. I think in my case "unknown weapon" is justified since I've done what I can to help.

Maybe you can help me identify that unknown Colt DMR on my SWAT 4 page then?
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Maybe you can help me identify that unknown Colt DMR on my SWAT 4 page then?
I Googled "Colt Accurized Rifle" and found this, which looks pretty much identical to your DMR.



According to Colt's website, it's called the Colt Accurized Rifle.
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:17 AM
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Thank you for the reference. I originally thought the name was fishy because there was no trace of a model number or official designation number (like M16, G29, etc.), so I thought the name sounded too "unofficial."

The website makes no mention of what this "Colt Accurized Rifle" is either. Is it based on the M16, just with a longer barrel, no carry handle/ironsights, and semiauto-only? I also wonder how this competes with something like the a long-barrelled RX4 Storm from Beretta for Law Enforcement purposes.
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