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DEVGRU's new rifle
There seems to be little info on it out there aside from a thread on the DEVTSIX airsoft forum and a couple non-English sites (not even TFB has reported on it yet). They were seen running PSD for Gen. Austin Miller in Kabul last July with one of the new carbines visible, from which a basic configuration was IDed:
*Noveske NSR M-LOK 9" handguard *Dead Air Sandman-S suppressor *Magpul MOE SL-K stock *Magpul MVG and M-LOK AFG foregrips *Nightforce ATACR 1-8x24 LPVO *Insight Next Generation Aiming Laser which seems to have received the designation LA-23/PEQ The story, apparently, is that they tested 8.5" and 10.5" uppers in .300 BLK, settled on the 10.5", then decided to ditch the 416s and go Noveske across the board and have had them for two years now. Here are the clearest and closest images of the (actual) new rifles I can find so far.
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If these are really .300 Blackout guns, I wonder what that will do for the caliber's popularity and further adoption within the military? The fact that they've gone back to direct impingement guns after helping to popularize the HK416 should also be the final nail in the coffin for those who believe that piston ARs are the future (what a change from 10 years ago!)
Aside from the NSR rails, those upper receivers are also definitely Noveske Gen III billet uppers. On the other hand, the LRGs still appear to be standard forged lowers, not the Noveske Gen III billet lowers (which have a distinct flared magwell), so it seems clear that they didn't buy complete guns from Noveske. Also, most of the pics I've seen on message boards show that the blasters still have the HK416-style pistol grips or the Hogue rubber grips that DEVGRU has been known to use on their 416s. If I had to guess, the most likely explanation here is that DEV purchased complete Noveske Gen III 10.5" Shorty URGs and then retrofitted them to their existing LRGs (the same ones that used to host their 416 URGs). Also: The Insight NGAL doesn't seem to be standard yet - most of the pics I've seen show carbines fitted with the existing AN/PEQ-15s. As for optics: The Nightforce ATACR doesn't seem to be standard yet, either; most of them are still using either the EOTech EXPS3-0 or Aimpoint Micro T-2s on ScalarWorks mounts.
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I don't expect piston guns to go away completely - and certainly, piston guns have seen just as much improvement in the last 15 years (when the HK416 was first fielded) as the DI guns. I do think that so long as DI guns maintain a weight advantage, that's likely to be a decisive factor. But still, the piston ARs have shown that they have longevity, so they'll probably still be around, even if they're not likely to dominate the market (as folks used to predict 10-15 years ago). I'm not sure all of DEV's 416s were built on 416 lowers, either. Some of them may have been 416 URGs on existing Colt M4 lowers. Then again, maybe they're just re-using the same pistol grips on newer lowers because that's what their operators prefer. (Side note: Not sure why they like Hogue grips; it was a great design 20-25 years ago compared to a standard A2 grip, but too many AR makers have introduced better grips since.) Quote:
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