Short Barrel non NFA the new norm

[commando552]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Why do you have such feelings on an AR pistol?

A brace essentially makes it feel like an SBR but it legally isn't.

I more mean actual "pistol" guns where there is no pseudo stock are the kind that I don't like. These always look silly to me as due to the AR design they have the buffer tube sticking out at the back and they always look kind of awkward. With the SCR it is a lot more sleek and refined looking, and it actually looks like it works firing it without a stock and could actually be pretty effective with a sling. I also like it from a theatrical point of view, as I can imagine these being good in films and TV carried concealed under jackets.

I don't really have a problem with the braced type, although to be honest for an AR I would personally rather have a 14.5" barrel with a permanent flash hider with a proper adjustable stock.

[Excalibur]

For me, I own an AR pistol and play to build a couple more in different calibers, is thanks to the braces and partly political.

I do not want to give up the freedom to own a weapon without it being registered with the government and subject it to a tax stamp and making it unable to be changed back. I would either have to sell it to another guy with a tax stamp or destroy it.

Suppressors is really where I would draw the line but even that is still stupid to me.

The concept for me is that you can accomplish a lot of the same thing on an 11.5 in barrel as you would a 14.5 in and excelling in CQB without adapting to the length of the gun.

With Shot Show over, there's a few newer braces including a 5 position adjustable one that is even more 1 step from being a stock.

[StanTheMan]

Originally Posted by commando552

To be honest, normally when I see an AR "pistol" my emotions range between feeling absolutely nothing, and thinking it is fucking stupid. However, for some reason I actually kind of like the new FliteLite SCR Raider.

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I more mean actual "pistol" guns where there is no pseudo stock are the kind that I don't like. These always look silly to me as due to the AR design they have the buffer tube sticking out at the back and they always look kind of awkward. With the SCR it is a lot more sleek and refined looking, and it actually looks like it works firing it without a stock and could actually be pretty effective with a sling. I also like it from a theatrical point of view, as I can imagine these being good in films and TV carried concealed under jackets.

I don't really have a problem with the braced type, although to be honest for an AR I would personally rather have a 14.5" barrel with a permanent flash hider with a proper adjustable stock.

Same here pretty much all the way. I grant there are some shortys that don't look as silly - the Raider being one of them - but I don't know. Mainly it just looks like what it is, a big gun chopped down all tacky like. I guess it's just the old fashioned part of me that thinks a rifle/carbine is supposed to be, well, a rifle/carbine. Proper stock and all as said. But yes, seems to be the popular dish now. I wonder what will be the deal in a decade or so.

[Excalibur]

If they remove suppressors and SBR/SBS from the NFA, this wouldn't be a discussion.

For me, my shorty is a truck gun. I keep it broken down in a backpack in my car for whatever. The same with my carry gun. Will I ever need it? Statistically, most likely not but...you never know. I also have a good first aid kit and a fire extinguisher too

[commando552]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

If they remove suppressors and SBR/SBS from the NFA, this wouldn't be a discussion.

For me, my shorty is a truck gun. I keep it broken down in a backpack in my car for whatever. The same with my carry gun. Will I ever need it? Statistically, most likely not but...you never know. I also have a good first aid kit and a fire extinguisher too

Are there any statistics on people actually using rifles carried in their car? People use handguns all the time or rifles and shotguns in the home, but how often does somebody actually use a rifle carried in a car? In most situations a pistol will be the more accessible option, and if you are able to go to the trunk of your car and assemble a rifle it seems that you might be on shaky "self defence" grounds. The only situation where I can imagine it being useful is if there is an active shooter situation and you choose to attempt to intervene, but has this ever actually happened? The closest I can think of is that recent church shooting in Texas, but IIRC the guy there got the rifle from his home.

[Excalibur]

More and more guys that I've seen and talked to are starting to carry "truck guns". Some have extra handguns, but some do have rifles or shorties like mine that is legally a pistol. We don't plan to ever use them for an encounter where our carry guns will do the job but for the worst day, it's best to have one.

There is no statistic because who would admit they have a larger gun in their car? I have mine broken down for storage but a lot of people have fully assembled rifles in a larger bag.

[commando552]

I didn't mean the number of people who carry long arms in their vehicle, I mean numbers of people that have ever had to actually use them. I didn't know if this was a number that had ever actually been compiled by anyone as I do not ever recall hearing of an incident where a weapon carried like this has actually been used. I assume that it has happened at some point but I cannot find any examples.

[Excalibur]

I think the idea is this isn't for a straight up encounter. It's for the worse day. I got tourniquets in my first aid when I didn't before. It's not that will we ever get a chance to use a bigger gun, but depending how we judge a situation and how we pack our bags, it's nice to have if we can afford it.