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There's too much to quote, so again, I ask, why bother spending all that time practicing using something that won't be used that often in combat? If LE can be bothered to train to use 10mm as their PRIMARY weapon, why would servicemen train to use it as a BACKUP?
If you're going to give them a foregrip, then why even settle for a pistol? When I say cops get to shoot for free, I mean they don't have to be members or pay any guest fees. We don't sell ammo there anyway. And as far as I know, there wasn't a winner in the JCP competition.
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Every time I watch the "Hurt Locker" scene where Sergeant James walks up to a VBIED driver and slowly puts his Beretta 92 to the driver's forehead, I'm reminded of this video which depicts how well properly loaded 10x25mm rounds can penetrate auto glass, even when they're Winchester Silvertips (a form of hollow point bullet which expands the moment it hits hard cover, but in this case had enough energy to go past the glass and make a deep hole through the catching material). If Sgt. James was using a Glock 20 instead, he could have popped the VBIED driver's noggin without putting it through the open window had the driver proved threatening, assuming the driver was not using a dead man's switch for the bomb. The examples I linked to in an earlier post show that even those who are short and small are perfectly capable of handling "larger-caliber pistols" (a somewhat relative term) well, assuming they get their mindset and "combat reactions" right. Quote:
But in cancelling the program, isn't it akin to the competition organizers declaring that "Everyone lost"? I don't think everyone who competed was so incompetent they couldn't meet the objectives. The HK45 seems to have some good reviews, for instance. Last edited by Mazryonh; 09-11-2010 at 07:26 PM. |
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No, I just meant I didn't want to quote that whole block of text.
I don't think the Hurt Locker scenario is a very likely one. A more likely scenario would involve someone with a rifle. I think once you add a foregrip, you acknowledge that it's no longer a handgun. How many handguns have foregrips? (And the Beretta 93 is a machine pistol.) Why not a folding stock while we're at it? (I'd love to see someone make a modern version of a Mauser C96. I think that would make both of us happy here.) As for JCP, I'm not saying none of them were good enough, just that the military never specified which one was the best. All of the candidates got good reviews.
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There's also the problem of the stopping power of these PDW cartridges in FMJ (and how in some cases they provide too much penetration in a LE context). While I'm sure all versions of PDW cartridges have hollow-point or other similar adaptations for better stopping power against unarmoured targets, military personnel have to abide by the Hague Convention. Given that the OpFor in this "low-intensity conflict" never wears body armour and the 10x25mm round's effectiveness in FMJ (otherwise why would it be a good handgun hunting round for medium-sized game?) but better range and energy retention than the .45 ACP, a Glock 20 could be a fine backup weapon when you have to use it (or when a pistol is all you're issued). Here's one of the "Glock to PDW" conversions I mentioned earlier that includes a buttstock. I would prefer something like the return of the MP5/10 though. And if the Russians can turn the 9x19mm round into a PDW round with special powder and bullet configurations, then surely they can do better with the 10x25mm round which has more case room to work with and a harder-hitting bullet. Could be a step to making the infamous Pulse Rifle's ammunition a reality, at least in cartridge dimensions and armour-piercing capability. Closer to the original topic, does anyone here own any of the pistols that were candidates for the JCP tests? How do the users here find them? |
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