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As far as I know the Secret Service carry 229s, I've never heard of them carrying Glocks.
The only Secret Service agent I saw in D.C. had a P90 and a really scary dog. |
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a couple of them were carrying p229's but the one's that they drew were glocks (trust meh. although it's kinda unusual for them to carry different handguns)
@S&W its not friday
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Hes just saying in the future, that means you all have 8 days...damn, i need to find a way to keep my title.
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I dunno, maybe they used them once upon a time and the agent in question didn't want to change his gun, but the standard issue is still the 229.
The Badass of the Week thing is also kind of stupid and immature. |
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so, we're stupid and immature.....
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Quote:
Also, the all-nickel (not stainless) SIGs were discontinued early on for a reason; the frames on those models had strength issues. Something about the way that SIG used to apply the nickel finish weakened the structural integrity of the nickel frames, and apparently they couldn't fix it, so they gave up and started offering the two-tone models. Quote:
I see plenty of cops carrying S&W autos (the 5906, 4006, and 4506 still seem to be much-liked), but Glocks dominate, and SIGs are getting ever-more common. Last edited by MT2008; 02-19-2010 at 05:12 PM. |
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I never felt a SIG to be top heavy, but then again ive only fired new p229s, a p226 and a p220. No older or W german guns. They feel good to me. And I have yet to have one jam on me. The nickle finish i don't care for, I like stainless though, for looks and easier shooting with bigger calibers. Although Id take an allow frame if I carried it.
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To bring this back on topic . . .
Okay,
While I'm certain this discussion of which non-10x25mm pistol is the best to carry for whatever reason will be quite productive in another topic, I'd like to see if I can bring this discussion back on topic and get my remaining questions answered. From what I've read, there seem to be wildly differing opinions on whether this cartridge was difficult to shoot. Here's one account opposing that "difficult to shoot" opinion: http://www.carryconcealed.net/colt-g...lta-elite-10mm If indeed more practice could tame this "too-powerful" cartridge, why didn't the FBI just do testing and mandate that the agents without medical problems train well enough with the 10x25mm to score high enough on marksmanship tests? I still think the OHWS program missed a golden opportunity by not choosing the 10x25mm cartridge, since the target market (Special Forces Operators) would have anything but "girly wrists", and definitely could have used the extra range, stopping power, and capacity over the .45 ACP eventually chosen for the program. No, I am not one of those people who say that "every soldier should have a .50 AE Desert Eagle for a backup weapon," but the 10x25mm cartridge still seems to surpass the .45 ACP in every one of those parameters I mentioned, except for the .45 ACP's subsonic velocity and thus greater subtlety when used with a sound suppressor. The cost of the cartridge, as I said before, is really a commercial decision and originally outside the scope of this discussion, but people making the right decisions can and do get cartridges widely manufactured distributed to the point where they are quite affordable, kind of like how the 5.56x45mm round became a NATO standard despite the opposition from several fronts. I also happened upon two interesting articles talking about how the 5.56mm round in compact assault rifles has had a low stopping-power-per-bullet ratio, and how adopting a 10mm round from SMGs or carbines could help in Urban combat or peace-keeping. Here they are: http://www.g2mil.com/park.htm http://www.g2mil.com/10mm.htm What about recoil in the SMGs and Pistol-Caliber Carbines? With the greater weight of the firearm, I doubt the recoil would be as much of an issue. Has anyone ever actually fired an SMG or Pistol-Caliber Carbine chambered for 10x25mm? Was it much more difficult than one chambered for 9x19mm or .45 ACP? If converting a firearm from .40 S&W to fire 10x25mm is "no big deal," then why can't Beretta release a 10x25mm conversion kit to change its Cx4 Storm carbines from .40 S&W to 10x25mm? Here are a few websites selling 10x25mm Pistol-Caliber Carbines: http://www.paladinarmory.com/SBR.htm http://www.mechtechsys.com/ http://www.guns-rifles-firearms.com/...es/Page637.htm Finally I'm also quite confused as to why IMI decided to make the .41 Action Express round, and even to create an Uzi SMG variant when the 10x25mm was already the .41 Magnum's "ballistic twin." In fact, some of the Pistol-Caliber Carbine manufacturers making carbines for 10x25mm are using some of these old Uzi mags! As always, relevant information would be appreciated. |
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I believe it's a cryin' shame that 10mm isn't more common. I'd love to have a 10mm pisto, but the only time I ever see ammo for it is at gunshows
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I see 10 ammo at cabelas all the time, its just like 36 bucks a box of 50 fmj, and hollowpoints are rediculously expensive.
I think a 1076 would be a cool gun to own. Ive heard tehre very accurate, reliable and its just cool to be shooting something nobody else has. |
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