Dude, this is simply awesome...

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

And when you say "so what" to things like militarization of police and building more prisons, you are completely ignoring the cost of it all.

Money shouldn't be an obstacle to justice


The increased need for prisons has lead to a massive private prison industry that creates a conflict of interest in which it is profitable for the few people in charge to have as many people incarcerated as possible and at tremendous cost to the taxpayer.

Now you just sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist


And no it's not my opinion that the drug war is wasteful, that is undeniably established fact. Why? Because it accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Thats the most thick headed logic I've heard from you so far "because I think I'm correct it's automatic FACT"


And you're right, legalizing drugs will not make the drug problem go away. Nothing is going to make it go away. Drugs always have and always will be a part of the human experience and nothing can change that. Legislation and imprisonment is not how problems are dealt with. You mentioned the Netherlands? Here's an even more relevant example, Portugal. Portugal legalized all drugs for personal use, and what happened? Enrollment in rehabilitation programs skyrocketed, overdoses plummeted. Holy shit how did that happen?

3 things, one how is that relevant to the correlation between crime and legalization which is the only reason I used the Netherlands example ,two Portugal and the USA have completely different cultures and the USA's population is 30 times larger -you can't compare the two, and three Drugs are still effectively illegal in Portugal as people who are caught with drugs are sent to boards to be evaluated for treatment or fines and Drug dealers/traffickers are still dealt with harshly by the law and imprisoned.

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[k9870]

Its true that if you legalize drugs there will be less crime, but legalizing wreckless driving makes less crime too, since the people doing arent arrested. That doesnt mean people arent getting hurt. Seen peoples lives destroyed by drugs before, I say ban all the hard drugs.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Money shouldn't be an obstacle to justice

This is the same argument used to rationalize such socialist nonsense as section 8 housing, universal healthcare, and federal student loans. The idea that everyone should have all the money they need to do whatever they want is what is destroying this country.

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Now you just sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist

In case you thought it's not a real thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group

Just google "private prison" and have fun spending an entire day being horrified. Even that fascist Joe Arpaio thinks they're a problem.

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Thats the most thick headed logic I've heard from you so far "because I think I'm correct it's automatic FACT"

Even DEA agents admit that the drug war doesn't actually accomplish anything.

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

3 things, one how is that relevant to the correlation between crime and legalization which is the only reason I used the Netherlands example ,two Portugal and the USA have completely different cultures and the USA's population is 30 times larger -you can't compare the two, and three Drugs are still effectively illegal in Portugal as people who are caught with drugs are sent to boards to be evaluated for treatment or fines and Drug dealers/traffickers are still dealt with harshly by the law and imprisoned.

I've heard that argument before in other debates about gun control, gay marriage, and welfare reform; "We can't do X here even though it works in country Y because our cultures are so different." It's a weak bullshit argument designed to prey on people's sense of national identity without actually making a real point.

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

This is the same argument used to rationalize such socialist nonsense as section 8 housing, universal healthcare, and federal student loans. The idea that everyone should have all the money they need to do whatever they want is what is destroying this country.

I don't see anything wrong with any of those programs really, I have some PERSONAL political bias against some elements of Universal healthcare though


In case you thought it's not a real thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group

Just google "private prison" and have fun spending an entire day being horrified. Even that fascist Joe Arpaio thinks they're a problem.


I still don't see a problem, just because something doesn't work or works incorrectly isn't license to throw everything out but the kitchen sink


Even DEA agents admit that the drug war doesn't actually accomplish anything.

I'm suppose to take a couple DEA Agent's opinions as the world of God???


I've heard that argument before in other debates about gun control, gay marriage, and welfare reform; "We can't do X here even though it works in country Y because our cultures are so different." It's a weak bullshit argument designed to prey on people's sense of national identity without actually making a real point.


Well it's because that argument is a valid argument, that's why you hear it so much. And how does it not make a real point????? The whole argument is a point!!!!!
I can just call any of your arguments a "weak bullshit argument" like you did and call it a day, but I don't because that would be stupid

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