Guns you think are just a bad idea.

[k9870]

I gotta admit, id love an all original .455 webley (not one of the rechambered ones) myself

[Spartan198]

'Nuff said.

[Ace Oliveira]

I see that and i raise you:



and this:



Enough said.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Ace Oliveira

I see that and i raise you:



and this:



Enough said.

It wasn't a completely bad idea...if it could have been achieved at a much lower cost and resulted in a lighter, less complex weapon. The technology just wasn't ready yet at the time (still isn't today, either).

Originally Posted by Spartan198

'Nuff said.

Mostly just a redundant idea. I mean, H&K might as well have just offered them the G36 as it was - because the original G36 was a more developed and refined design at that point.

[Excalibur]

The XM8 was pretty much a G36 in a new body. It's the same kind of internals and same charging handle and magazines. Originally the US army was close to adopting it

[Ace Oliveira]

I don't know why. The M4 and M16A4 are great weapons. And no, they don't jam that often.

[Jcordell]

Originally Posted by Ace Oliveira

I don't know why. The M4 and M16A4 are great weapons. And no, they don't jam that often.

I was with the 10th Mountain Division in the spring of 1998 when we were assigned the M4 carbines. They were brand new. We actually recieved them still in the packaging. It was the only time in fourteen years of serving in the U.S. Army that I was issued a brand-new weapon. I was very excited.

We didn't have any issues with the M4's failing to feed - no more so than with any other semi-automatic rifle. But we did have issues with rounds "cooking-off" while in the chamber. This usually happened after a soldier had fired two or three 30 round magazines through the weapon and it was hot. We had a few carbines fire off the chambered round even though the soldier did not have his or her finger on the trigger. At least this was what the troops were reporting.

This happened when we were at the range getting familiarized with our brand new carbines. Also some of the troops thought the heat waves coming off the shorter barrels interefered with the sight picture.

I didn't have any trouble and I never heard if there was any resolution to the cooking off of rounds.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

The XM8 was pretty much a G36 in a new body. It's the same kind of internals and same charging handle and magazines. Originally the US army was close to adopting it

No they weren't. The XM8 was basically just a last-ditch attempt to get SOMETHING out of the XM29/OICW program. By the time the XM8 was being tested, the military had already more-or-less selected the M4 and M16A4 with SOPMOD kit to replace the M16A2 as the main front-line infantry weapon. And remember that the M16A2 is the weapon that the OICW was supposed to replace, not the M4.

[Nyles]

I've never had a jam firing live rounds with my C7. Blanks when in training, yes, but they're filthy and you tend to shoot alot more of them than live rounds. Interestingly, I've found the best thing for keeping it running in Afghanistan is the cans of compressed air they issue for cleaning your computer. Blows the moon dust right out of it.

I wonder if the cooking off problems had something to do with the lighter barrel on the M4 vice the M16A2 / A4. When we first got into serious fighting in Kandahar, people were finding that the barrels on the C8 / C8A1 heated up too fast (14.5" A1 profile). That's why they went to the extra heavy 16" on the A2. Of course the M4 has a heavier barrel than the original C8 and I've not heard any complaints about them since.

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by MT2008

The XM8 was basically just a last-ditch attempt to get SOMETHING out of the XM29/OICW program.

I'd imagine it was meant to save a few careers as well...

Originally Posted by Nyles

I've never had a jam firing live rounds with my C7. Blanks when in training, yes, but they're filthy and you tend to shoot alot more of them than live rounds. Interestingly, I've found the best thing for keeping it running in Afghanistan is the cans of compressed air they issue for cleaning your computer. Blows the moon dust right out of it.

I wonder if the cooking off problems had something to do with the lighter barrel on the M4 vice the M16A2 / A4. When we first got into serious fighting in Kandahar, people were finding that the barrels on the C8 / C8A1 heated up too fast (14.5" A1 profile). That's why they went to the extra heavy 16" on the A2. Of course the M4 has a heavier barrel than the original C8 and I've not heard any complaints about them since.

I've read comments on firearms blogs about the C7/C8 allegedly proving more reliable than the M16/M4. If that's true, it makes me wonder what you guys are putting in those things and why the heck we aren't doing the same thing down here...