Short Barrel non NFA the new norm

[Excalibur]

If they remove suppressors and SBR/SBS from the NFA, this wouldn't be a discussion.

For me, my shorty is a truck gun. I keep it broken down in a backpack in my car for whatever. The same with my carry gun. Will I ever need it? Statistically, most likely not but...you never know. I also have a good first aid kit and a fire extinguisher too

[commando552]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

If they remove suppressors and SBR/SBS from the NFA, this wouldn't be a discussion.

For me, my shorty is a truck gun. I keep it broken down in a backpack in my car for whatever. The same with my carry gun. Will I ever need it? Statistically, most likely not but...you never know. I also have a good first aid kit and a fire extinguisher too

Are there any statistics on people actually using rifles carried in their car? People use handguns all the time or rifles and shotguns in the home, but how often does somebody actually use a rifle carried in a car? In most situations a pistol will be the more accessible option, and if you are able to go to the trunk of your car and assemble a rifle it seems that you might be on shaky "self defence" grounds. The only situation where I can imagine it being useful is if there is an active shooter situation and you choose to attempt to intervene, but has this ever actually happened? The closest I can think of is that recent church shooting in Texas, but IIRC the guy there got the rifle from his home.

[Excalibur]

More and more guys that I've seen and talked to are starting to carry "truck guns". Some have extra handguns, but some do have rifles or shorties like mine that is legally a pistol. We don't plan to ever use them for an encounter where our carry guns will do the job but for the worst day, it's best to have one.

There is no statistic because who would admit they have a larger gun in their car? I have mine broken down for storage but a lot of people have fully assembled rifles in a larger bag.

[commando552]

I didn't mean the number of people who carry long arms in their vehicle, I mean numbers of people that have ever had to actually use them. I didn't know if this was a number that had ever actually been compiled by anyone as I do not ever recall hearing of an incident where a weapon carried like this has actually been used. I assume that it has happened at some point but I cannot find any examples.

[Excalibur]

I think the idea is this isn't for a straight up encounter. It's for the worse day. I got tourniquets in my first aid when I didn't before. It's not that will we ever get a chance to use a bigger gun, but depending how we judge a situation and how we pack our bags, it's nice to have if we can afford it.

[commando552]

I totally understand the rationale for wanting to pack one, I just was curious if there had ever been a situation where one was legitimately used. I carry a full first aid kit in my car and have even been in a situation where I have used a tourniquet on someone who had been in a traffic accident so it is easy to justify routinely carrying stuff like a FAK and fire extinguisher. However with a trunk gun it is harder to justify as I am unaware of a situation where one has been useful for anything over shooting a wounded animal on the side of the road.

All of that being said if I lived in the US I would still probably do it, I'm just not convinced that they are realistically something that will be useful to the point where it is worth the expense, space, inconvenience and risk of carrying one.

[StanTheMan]

Originally Posted by commando552

All of that being said if I lived in the US I would still probably do it, I'm just not convinced that they are realistically something that will be useful to the point where it is worth the expense, space, inconvenience and risk of carrying one.

Right. Nothing against those that wish to do it and indeed for all my own skepticism and even criticism I will quite likely do something similar in due course (have a dedicated vehicle weapon) - That said frankly I have to agree with the supposed cost-benefit point being raised here. After all there is a point where trying to be so practical gets.. well, impractical.

As for the earlier point, I agree they could just do with removing the SB restrictions, or even loosening the reigns a bit - Which ultimately is more-or-less the same damn thing. Still for my own setup I would probably get something of a longer barrel carbine though just like c552. What can I say.. not into the shorties too much.