Shows/Films ruined by cruddy gunfights

[Lenny]

Aye, automatic weapons 'firing' in all directions and no named characters get killed. Cracked me up that the first dead body you see was wearing a red(ish) shirt...!

Your first point brings me to another bug-bear- people holding pistols one handed, arm outstretched, for considerable amounts of time. I know it's possible to do so, but given the weight and strain on the arm, a bit foolish when - as in this case, she could have just aimed from the hip and saved herself a lot of arm ache...

[Excalibur]

I can kinda understand seeing that the vast majority of the characters wouldn't be gun people, so their stances and handling would be piss poor at best but this show is just stupid when it comes to the props.

[funkychinaman]

I wouldn't call it ruined, but I was disappointed by the gunplay in The Raid. I get it, it's a martial arts flick, but if you're going to go through the trouble of sending all the actors to training in weapons and tactics with a real special forces unit, why go all-Airsoft?

[Lenny]

Conversely I was going to mention The Raid as an example where cheapo After-Effects post-production gun effects worked really well (as opposed to TWD). Each to their own!

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Lenny

Conversely I was going to mention The Raid as an example where cheapo After-Effects post-production gun effects worked really well (as opposed to TWD). Each to their own!

Like I said, it didn't ruin the movie, it was very convincing. If you didn't watch the special features, I don't think the casual viewer would ever know. But if you're going to go all the way with the training, it's a shame not to go with real guns.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

If you didn't watch the special features, I don't think the casual viewer would ever know.

Aye, had me fooled. I was so swept up in it I didn't know for a long time they were Airsoft. At a shoe string budget of, what, 2 million dollars, it can be excused I guess. But given that TWD has a budget of around that per episode, plus access to what looks like real firearms (or decommissioned/blank adapted ones anyway), you would have thought the sfx and general realism of the gunfights would be better (hell, I could do a better job storyboarding and using After Effects, gimme a job, AMC!).

[Excalibur]

I think with the Raid, perhaps the reason why there are no real guns could be both the fact that it was a low budget production and that the filming was in a country that has really strict gun control and probably because of their limited budget, they didn't get or couldn't get blank guns. I was a bit surprised that the cop characters had rifles with silencers but no optics. Then again, in the behind the scenes training, neither did the rifles they worked with

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

I wouldn't call it ruined, but I was disappointed by the gunplay in The Raid. I get it, it's a martial arts flick, but if you're going to go through the trouble of sending all the actors to training in weapons and tactics with a real special forces unit, why go all-Airsoft?

They probably couldn't get blank guns, or a permit to use them

[funkychinaman]

Regarding the OP's initial post, since it was the season finale, they could've simply run out of money. Maybe a prior episode had gone over budget.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Regarding the OP's initial post, since it was the season finale, they could've simply run out of money. Maybe a prior episode had gone over budget.

Sadly, I don't think this is the case: I think it's just shoddy directing, which goes part and parcel with The Walking Dead. Rewatching the scene again, it's not quite as awful as I thought at the time and there appears to be some blank-adapted guns and/or okay-ish post-production work- but the general realism is akin to an episode of The A-Team. If B.A. had appeared riding the tiger, I wouldn't have been surprised.

Anyway, judge for yourself: there are worse gunfights out there for sure, but given this was built up throughout a really boring season, the payoff was disappointingly silly. 'Action' begins around 1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lq-9Jb1FNU