Bought some new guns

[Nyles]

Finally, and least exotic, I picked up a 1945 Ishevsk Mosin-Nagant M44 carbine, to replace the 1953 Polish production one I sold a few years ago. I wanted a wartime example as used during the advance into Germany, and this one fit the bill nicely! The nice thing about this one is unlike most of the WW2 Mosins out there it's not a refurb, and has the original unshellaced stock.

[funkychinaman]

I can't believe the logo for the Savage is an Indian head. Reminds me of the time I saw the emblem for the USS Savage. File it under "Stuff you can't get away with today" I guess.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/386.htm

[Nyles]

Yeah.... they actually still use that. It was on the grip caps of all the 111 series rifles with synthetic stocks up until a couple of years ago, and it's still on all their boxes and catalogues.

According to their website in 1919 they licenced Chief Lame Deer's likeness in perpetuity in exchange for Model 99 rifles for his band. Although seeing as they've been using that logo since 1903....

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by Nyles

Yeah.... they actually still use that. It was on the grip caps of all the 111 series rifles with synthetic stocks up until a couple of years ago, and it's still on all their boxes and catalogues.

According to their website in 1919 they licenced Chief Lame Deer's likeness in perpetuity in exchange for Model 99 rifles for his band. Although seeing as they've been using that logo since 1903....

Wow. For all the controversy over the Washington Redskins thing, this has sort of flown under the radar.

[Jcordell]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

I can't believe the logo for the Savage is an Indian head. Reminds me of the time I saw the emblem for the USS Savage. File it under "Stuff you can't get away with today" I guess.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/386.htm

I own several issues of "Guns & Ammo" from 1967-1972. In the November 1968 issue there is an article about Savage being criticized for it's logo and advertising. In the late sixties Savage had an ad campaign with actual North American Indians posing with the various models that the company was making.

Savage responded that the company is sensitive towards issues concerning the Indians, that Savage contributes to various organizations and charities and that the Indians who are in their ads approved of the campaign and it's depiction of Indians.

Savage was dealing with that controversy long before professional sports teams were. Just FYI.

[Nyles]

Originally Posted by Jcordell

I own several issues of "Guns & Ammo" from 1967-1972. In the November 1968 issue there is an article about Savage being criticized for it's logo and advertising. In the late sixties Savage had an ad campaign with actual North American Indians posing with the various models that the company was making.

Savage responded that the company is sensitive towards issues concerning the Indians, that Savage contributes to various organizations and charities and that the Indians who are in their ads approved of the campaign and it's depiction of Indians.

Savage was dealing with that controversy long before professional sports teams were. Just FYI.

Somehow missed this on the first go-around! I think Savage has, at lease since the 50s, been quite sensitive with their advertising and remains very popular with the native hunters I deal with at work. I just find the whole Chief Lame Deer story highly suspect given the timeframes involved.

[Nyles]

You guys will definitely get a kick out of this one - I got a grenade launcher cup for a SMLE, in this case pictured with my 1943 Ishapore Mk.III*. Really simple design, clamps onto the muzzle and fits a Mills bomb with a gas check plate threaded on (don't have that piece yet) inside the cup. Simply insert the grenade, pull the pin (the cup holds down the safety lever), chamber a grenade launching blank and fire it off. Ranging is controlled by the adjustable gas bleed-off valve at the base of the cup. Effective from 50-200M, introduced midway through WW1 and largely replaced by the 2" light mortar in WW2, except in the Indian Army. I'm obviously not going to screw up my Mills bomb by shooting it, but they can launch tennis balls, so it's time to load up some blanks!

[funkychinaman]

Random trivia I just picked up today: Prior to inventing the Mills Bomb, William Mills developed and manufactured metal golf clubs.

[S&Wshooter]

Kids on lawn-->launch tennis balls with grenade launcher

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Nyles

Finally, and least exotic, I picked up a 1945 Ishevsk Mosin-Nagant M44 carbine, to replace the 1953 Polish production one I sold a few years ago. I wanted a wartime example as used during the advance into Germany, and this one fit the bill nicely! The nice thing about this one is unlike most of the WW2 Mosins out there it's not a refurb, and has the original unshellaced stock.

M44 seems to be the handiest Mosin. I love mine. Everyone else hates it, but I love it