Yet another idiotic gun control scheme...

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Wouldn't it just be easier to just have a completely different rifle then?

Probably, if I lived in CA and wanted a .223 would probably just go for something like the Kel Tec SU-16CA (featureless so can have a regular detachable magazine without a bullet button). However, a lot of people will go to any lengths to use an AR-15 pattern gun. A stripper clip compatible upper would have the advantage that you could use AR-15 lowers (with some kind of fixed magazine release so the mag wasn't readily removable), barrels, handguards, grips and stocks. Mounting optics would be a bit of an issue though. Anyway, I assume it is impossible or else someone would have probably already done it.

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by commando552

However, a lot of people will go to any lengths to use an AR-15 pattern gun.

More like be willing to jump through alot of hoops to exersize our second amendment rights. Those bulletbuttons arn't just for AR15 rifles. They work on anything that takes an AR15 magazine and they make bullet buttons for other style magwells. This law is just an attempt to make more firearms illegal since the gun owners in California have managed to circumvent an oderous infringment on their rights already.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by commando552

Probably, if I lived in CA and wanted a .223 would probably just go for something like the Kel Tec SU-16CA (featureless so can have a regular detachable magazine without a bullet button). However, a lot of people will go to any lengths to use an AR-15 pattern gun. A stripper clip compatible upper would have the advantage that you could use AR-15 lowers (with some kind of fixed magazine release so the mag wasn't readily removable), barrels, handguards, grips and stocks. Mounting optics would be a bit of an issue though. Anyway, I assume it is impossible or else someone would have probably already done it.

Well, that's just what I mean. Different upper, different lower, isn't that just a different gun? And I suppose you could get an optics mount off to the side, like an M1C/D.

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, that's just what I mean. Different upper, different lower, isn't that just a different gun? And I suppose you could get an optics mount off to the side, like an M1C/D.

Not really, it would still be an AR-15 and be compatible with AR-15 parts. It would just have a different upper receiver (I imagine you could fit a "fixed" magazine release to any lower so that would not need to be changed). Regardless it was just a random though that occurred to me whilst trying to think of a workaround and is probably impossible for some technical or ergonomic reason that is eluding me right now.

[funkychinaman]

Originally Posted by commando552

Not really, it would still be an AR-15 and be compatible with AR-15 parts. It would just have a different upper receiver (I imagine you could fit a "fixed" magazine release to any lower so that would not need to be changed). Regardless it was just a random though that occurred to me whilst trying to think of a workaround and is probably impossible for some technical or ergonomic reason that is eluding me right now.

Well, it seems like you can put AR-pattern parts on any weapon nowadays. Maybe someone could just design an AR lower with fixed magazine that can only be loaded with stripper clips to go along with the new upper. Like I said, it'd be a new gun, but it'd be interesting to design.

Or maybe a new lower with a fixed magazine that would be compatible with a regular upper? The rounds would have to be loaded from the bottom. You'd be able to eliminate the pistol grip as well if necessary.

[commando552]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Or maybe a new lower with a fixed magazine that would be compatible with a regular upper? The rounds would have to be loaded from the bottom. You'd be able to eliminate the pistol grip as well if necessary.

There are already lowers that exist that have a permanently fixed magazine (and kits that replace a standard magazine release with one that cannot be depressed to release the mag), I think these were originally the only way of having an AR-15 with "evil" features before the bullet button idea came about. The way you load them is to pull out the rear takedown pin (have seen ones with a ring fitted for doing this more easily) and "break" the rifle like a shotgun and load the mag normally from above. If the upper receiver was open topped it would just simplify this process, as all you would need to do is lock the bolt back and push a clip in from above.

If this bill passed (as devastating as it would be for California firearms owners who it would affect) I would actually be curious to see what solutions the firearms industry would come up with.

[Rockwolf66]

They do make Stripper clip fed AR15 lowers. To use them you break the reciver and shove in the rounds. Before I moved to a free state I looked at buying one but it wouldn't be economic to convert it to a standard reciver so I didn't get one.

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Well, that's just what I mean. Different upper, different lower, isn't that just a different gun? And I suppose you could get an optics mount off to the side, like an M1C/D.

Just get a railed forearm and mount the optic on the fore-grip. Though this will only work with red-dot type sights and not a conventional telescopic sight.

[Evil Tim]

Well, if you absolutely had to put it on a rail you could probably get away with a long eye relief scope on the foregrip. Though you'd be better off putting an AK-style side bracket on the lower, though you'd have to extend / alter the left-hand side controls to make it fit.