Some guns from Libya

[Spartan198]

Originally Posted by Markit

Somebody tell this guy I'm hopping a plane right now to come and get that Beretta.

[MT2008]

There's some interesting stuff in these pics. I always think it's interesting when you can look at the guns being used in a particular conflict zone, and you can tell a lot about that country's history (i.e. presence of Italian-made guns is a reminder of colonial days).

Originally Posted by Spartan198

Somebody tell this guy I'm hopping a plane right now to come and get that Beretta.

I might be wrong, but is that even a real Beretta? I've seen blank-firing replicas which have that same finish (blued with gold controls). It could also be a regionally-produced copy, but not sure.

[funkychinaman]

Speak of the devil...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...eless-weapons/

[Excalibur]

I wouldn't go to say that those weapons are useless. "ancient", yeah but a gun is a gun and if it shoots bullets and won't blow up in my face, I'll take it...unless it's like an old musket.

[S&Wshooter]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I wouldn't go to say that those weapons are useless. "ancient", yeah but a gun is a gun and if it shoots bullets and won't blow up in my face, I'll take it...unless it's like an old musket.

The article says they don't really have any bullets and/or mags for alot if the guns

[k9870]

They are getting their asses kicked.

[Mandolin1]

I'd love the rebels to win, but any rebel group that can't "liberate" an airfield, tank depot, or armory (esprecialy the armory) in the first day deserves to lose. They don't have to hold the place, just take what you can and wreck the rest.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by funkychinaman

Speak of the devil...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...eless-weapons/

Interesting, but not particularly useful. I'm not sure how much those weapons are representative of the broader rebel inventory. Most pics I've seen show the rebels armed with the same types of small arms as Qaddafi's forces - AKs, RPGs, PKs, etc.

Either way, the quality of small arms used by either side is not going to be the decisive factor in this conflict. It never is.

Originally Posted by Mandolin1

I'd love the rebels to win, but any rebel group that can't "liberate" an airfield, tank depot, or armory (esprecialy the armory) in the first day deserves to lose. They don't have to hold the place, just take what you can and wreck the rest.

Without sounding like I'm supporting the rebels (because I am skeptical of this intervention), almost all rebel groups aren't particularly competent at conventional warfare. Even groups that receive outside training from the U.S. still manage to suck balls due to lack of discipline in the rank-and-file, and (most importantly) lack of popular support in the areas that they're trying to control. In Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance was barely able to hold onto their territory (let alone take Kabul) before we bombed the Taliban to help put them in power. And the KLA was pretty much down for the count before we chased Serbian forces out of Kosovo for them in '99.

[ShootingJames]

Originally Posted by MT2008

I might be wrong, but is that even a real Beretta? I've seen blank-firing replicas which have that same finish (blued with gold controls). It could also be a regionally-produced copy, but not sure.

I think you are right. It looks like a Voltran Ekol select fire, full/semi auto replica. The switch for the select fire is bunched up next to the takedown lever, and it also has the little bit of scrollwork on the frame in front of the trigger guard. They are made in turkey, and in russia and the like they are self defense guns that fire rubber bullets.