What is a reasonable time limit for tagging a page incomplete or no effort?

[MT2008]

As far as I'm concerned, a page that is simply "incomplete" doesn't need a time limit so long as it's got the required essentials (gun names, gun page links, gun pics, description of gun's use and by whom).

This is particularly applicable to pages that are made while a movie is in theaters and the only pics we can get are publicity photos/trailer screencaps, because such pages will never be complete until the DVD/Blu-Ray comes out (which won't be for several months at least).

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by MT2008

As far as I'm concerned, a page that is simply "incomplete" doesn't need a time limit so long as it's got the required essentials (gun names, gun page links, gun pics, description of gun's use and by whom).

This is particularly applicable to pages that are made while a movie is in theaters and the only pics we can get are publicity photos/trailer screencaps, because such pages will never be complete until the DVD/Blu-Ray comes out (which won't be for several months at least).

You misunderstand me. I'm talking about slapping a tag on a page that someone just started building. IMHO it's ridiculous to slap an {incomplete} tag on a page fifteen minutes after it's been created. It's ridiculous to slap a {noeffort} tag on a page that was made 30 minutes ago. Not everyone can dump an entire complete page on IMFDB in a minute (we have some members who do that, but they chose to do an exceptional amount of work BEFORE uploading anything).

There is also the etiquette of not editing someone's page when they are in the process of building it. When I look at a recent changes history, I can tell when someone is building a page. I don't touch it until some time has passed. The ONLY time I may edit (after taking a peek) is to correct an obviously WRONG Identification of a gun, but that is rare.

edit: The {incomplete} tag, though most gentle of ALL of the tags, is still insulting in that it is someone OPENLY CALLING all other members to complete your work for you, since "you (the page creator) obviously cannot or will not complete the page to minimum IMFDB specs"....

Hope this helps.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by MoviePropMaster2008

You misunderstand me. I'm talking about slapping a tag on a page that someone just started building. IMHO it's ridiculous to slap an {incomplete} tag on a page fifteen minutes after it's been created. It's ridiculous to slap a {noeffort} tag on a page that was made 30 minutes ago. Not everyone can dump an entire complete page on IMFDB in a minute (we have some members who do that, but they chose to do an exceptional amount of work BEFORE uploading anything).

There is also the etiquette of not editing someone's page when they are in the process of building it. When I look at a recent changes history, I can tell when someone is building a page. I don't touch it until some time has passed. The ONLY time I may edit (after taking a peek) is to correct an obviously WRONG Identification of a gun, but that is rare.

edit: The {incomplete} tag, though most gentle of ALL of the tags, is still insulting in that it is someone OPENLY CALLING all other members to complete your work for you, since "you (the page creator) obviously cannot or will not complete the page to minimum IMFDB specs"....

Hope this helps.

I remember when this little incident happened to you MPM, it was out of line to slap an incomplete tag on something you just created 15 minutes prior. I had it done to me because some of my screencaps lacked captions, but my page had been up for a while. As far as what kind of time lapse before tagging a page incomplete I guess 2 weeks for movie pages. TV shows are another matter, they can take a long damn time.

[MoviePropMaster2008]

Originally Posted by predator20

I remember when this little incident happened to you MPM, it was out of line to slap an incomplete tag on something you just created 15 minutes prior. I had it done to me because some of my screencaps lacked captions, but my page had been up for a while. As far as what kind of time lapse before tagging a page incomplete I guess 2 weeks for movie pages. TV shows are another matter, they can take a long damn time.

Well, it was just that one time, but I've seen it happen to other members by a variety of people, and frankly, I can't really get annoyed with people for rules which have not been actually written. If there is a rule which explicitly outlines a span of time, the person can fire back saying 'Hey, you didn't give me enough time before you started calling for everyone else to complete my page for me'. It would be only fair to actually write a clear rule so that the membership has a chance to read it.

Sometimes I've left a page and kinda forgot about it for months (doh!) and those pages were slapped with a tag. That didn't bother me because I had already let the page lapse with no new content in a while. No one should have a problem with that.

I like either 1 or 2 weeks for a movie page (to give working folks at least 2 weekends to do it), not sure about the time to do the MINIMUM standard for a TV series page (since it is ongoing and many times the DVDs aren't released in a timely manner and many shows don't even have DVD releases). I don't know about Videogames. but after a while, the tags are merited.

[AdAstra2009]

Nevertheless regardless of any amount of time I would think it is appropriate to apply the {{nuke}} tag to articles not compatible with IMFDB.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by AdAstra2009

Nevertheless regardless of any amount of time I would think it is appropriate to apply the {{nuke}} tag to articles not compatible with IMFDB.

What about pages that have been up long before the rule about documentaries and such?

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by predator20

What about pages that have been up long before the rule about documentaries and such?

Perhaps a {grandfathered} tag is in order? To indicate that though a page is technically against the rules, it has been given special recognition.

[Milkovich]

How about a {WorkInProgress} tag?

[predator20]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Perhaps a {grandfathered} tag is in order? To indicate that though a page is technically against the rules, it has been given special recognition.

Originally Posted by Milkovich

How about a {WorkInProgress} tag?

Both sound like great idea. The problem with having a grandfathered tag is the tags are supposed to be temporarily not permanent.
Mail Call has a simple note. '''NOTE: Though IMFDB does not permit documentaries this page had been made an exception by Administrators.'''
But I'm not sure that would stop people from adding a nuke tag on other pages, so the grandfathered tag may help.

[AdAstra2009]

Originally Posted by Milkovich

How about a {WorkInProgress} tag?

IMHO I don't think pages should be on IMFDB until they are complete in the first place.

Another thing is that we should implement a policy that you are not to put any [[category:movie]] tags onto the page until it is finished.