Your Favorite Directors

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Also, surprised nobody's mentioned Paul Verhoeven yet. Even though he's made some really bad movies ("Showgirls"), he also made "RoboCop" and "Starship Troopers".

Paul Verhoeven is an objectively bad director. His only "good" movies were RoboCop, Total Recall (both mindless enjoyable action films), and Basic Instinct, which was completely average and only notable for showing Sharon Stone's hoo ha. Starship Troopers was laughably retarded (he didn't even read the original book), Showgirls and Hollow Man (didn't see either of them) were savaged by the critics and are both pop culture punchlines. Everything else he's done is not notable and/or Dutch.

[Swordfish941]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Paul Verhoeven is an objectively bad director. His only "good" movies were RoboCop, Total Recall (both mindless enjoyable action films), and Basic Instinct, which was completely average and only notable for showing Sharon Stone's hoo ha. Starship Troopers was laughably retarded (he didn't even read the original book), Showgirls and Hollow Man (didn't see either of them) were savaged by the critics and are both pop culture punchlines. Everything else he's done is not notable and/or Dutch.

If you say that Danny Boyle is an objectively bad director, Robert Carlyle will smash a pint of beer into your face and then continue to kick you in the face will you're down on the ground, crying in pain.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by Swordfish941

If you say that Danny Boyle is an objectively bad director, Robert Carlyle will smash a pint of beer into your face and then continue to kick you in the face will you're down on the ground, crying in pain.

I really doubt that but as far as I know his only stinker was The Beach. Trainspotting and 28 Days Later were really good, I haven't seen Slumdog Millionaire or Sunshine or Millions, but I've heard nothing but good things.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Paul Verhoeven is an objectively bad director. His only "good" movies were RoboCop, Total Recall (both mindless enjoyable action films), and Basic Instinct, which was completely average and only notable for showing Sharon Stone's hoo ha. Starship Troopers was laughably retarded (he didn't even read the original book), Showgirls and Hollow Man (didn't see either of them) were savaged by the critics and are both pop culture punchlines. Everything else he's done is not notable and/or Dutch.

Sorry, but I like "Starship Troopers". It's one of the best mindless sci-fi/action movies from the '90s.

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Sorry, but I like "Starship Troopers". It's one of the best mindless sci-fi/action movies from the '90s.

Will you at least concede that, given the original source material, it was wasted potential?

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

Will you at least concede that, given the original source material, it was wasted potential?

I haven't read all of "Starship Troopers" myself (tried to when the movie came out, but it wasn't the kind of novel I could read very well at age 12). However, I think Verhoeven's take on the source material was about as good as anyone could have done. I mean, how do you take a novel which (positively) depicts a quasi-fascist world order, and make a good movie out of it (especially in the 1990s, when everyone looks back on the McCarthyist era with disdain)?

[BurtReynoldsMoustache]

Originally Posted by MT2008

I haven't read all of "Starship Troopers" myself (tried to when the movie came out, but it wasn't the kind of novel I could read very well at age 12). However, I think Verhoeven's take on the source material was about as good as anyone could have done. I mean, how do you take a novel which (positively) depicts a quasi-fascist world order, and make a good movie out of it (especially in the 1990s, when everyone looks back on the McCarthyist era with disdain)?

He admitted to having not read the book beforehand, so you can't really call it "his take" on it so much as a reimagineering of a basic synopsis. And there was no reason for it to have been as cartoony as it was. It felt like the bastard lovebaby of Star Trek and GI Joe. Starcraft had a more realistic presentation its story.

And for mindless escapism, Aliens already had that cornered. Starship Troopers was Aliens reduced to the lowest common denominator and then multiplied to the 50th power, glossed over with a sickening sheen of 90210 "for the kids". Ironic considering that Aliens took a lot of its ideas from the original Starship Troopers novel.

[MT2008]

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

He admitted to having not read the book beforehand, so you can't really call it "his take" on it so much as a reimagineering of a basic synopsis.

Agreed, but isn't it kind of a moot point, for the reasons I mentioned?

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

And there was no reason for it to have been as cartoony as it was. It felt like the bastard lovebaby of Star Trek and GI Joe. Starcraft had a more realistic presentation its story.

I think of it as a "spiritual successor" to "RoboCop" in this regard: It juxtaposes absurdly bloody violence with satire and humor.

Originally Posted by BurtReynoldsMoustache

And for mindless escapism, Aliens already had that cornered. Starship Troopers was Aliens reduced to the lowest common denominator and then multiplied to the 50th power, glossed over with a sickening sheen of 90210 "for the kids". Ironic considering that Aliens took a lot of its ideas from the original Starship Troopers novel.

Comparing "Aliens" and "Starship Troopers" is a bit extreme. Aside from the fact that they're both sci-fi "bug hunts" and were inspired by the same novel, those two movies are completely different in every other way. (And by that, I don't mean, "Duh, 'Aliens' is good and 'Starship Troopers' sucks.")

[Swordfish941]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Darren Aronofsky.

[mpe2010]

Originally Posted by MT2008

Sorry, but I like "Starship Troopers". It's one of the best mindless sci-fi/action movies from the '90s.

Not to mention it was filmed within an hour of where I live.